Is Spirituality Spiritual?

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[Jana]

Yea Denis, I think what hurts more than anything is to have left the family home without any reinforcement of the acknowledgement of the inner Guru, so that one spends the first 40 years pining for a lost teacher or true parent that never really comes...when all we really had to do was trust implictly in ourselves to begin with. I think the most important parenting act is to remind the child of his or her inner divinity and sovereign incorruptible genius. When society as a whole shifts more towards inner mastery and liberation of the individual, rather than slavery and authoritarianism (power and possession) , then we will see a rennaisance the likes of which the earth has never seen before.

Yea I also get the "I know more than you anyways asshole" syndrome with all teachers and therapists, "I could teach you a thing or two!" However I bet RAM could whip my ass some, but I won't give him the chance...hahaha all ready free!

[Jana]

If you look at the absolute great minds in history few of them were able to save themselves from the fury of the ignorant crowd. However with a little acceptance, survival and actual “thriving” in almost any type of society is possible.

“In the republic of mediocrity, genius is dangerous.” Robert Green Ingersoll

To claim ones soul despite the inertia and gravity of the weight of the collective unconscious...is a supreme act of faith.

In his book Ride the Tiger: A Survival Manual for the Aristocrats of the Soul, Julius Evola called the initiated the “differentiated” or "integrated" type of man the "aristocrats of the soul."  He advocates that to make the best of the situation of living in a nihilistic flatland society, by "riding the tiger.” That is a non-resisting controlled indulgence and yet not falling prey to the delusions offered by the surrounding world. This non-resistance offers the least energy to the Borg (machine) and while providing a certain amount of camouflage, in order to avoid the social repercussions of being awake in a sleeping world. This non-resisting controlled indulgence is not a teeth-gritting forbearance, however, but rather a compassionate tolerance born of deep understanding of the human primate condition. Riding the tiger involves a constant biological transmutation of the opinions of others and ones own, and the conversion of that energy into increased consciousness and creativity.

[Denis]

Wow, great quote Jana.
I wonder though how it translates into greater creativity. I often wonder if it doesn't create some amount of apathy or an attitude that looks like apathy but that I like to pretend is patient equanimity.

d.

[Jana]

Yea, I am not even apathetic, I think it is more a tired resignation and disappointment covering murderous rage at the machine.
I would like to see a book called Dead Geniuses or something, on how we abuse our most gifted.
I am doing a chapter in BOK on this, in an effort to try and "preserve" the delicate front wave of the awakened...from the superstition, persecution, misunderstanding, fear of the crowd.
The title of it should go somthing like: "Awakening as a Solo Practitioner in a Borg World and Maintaining Ones Spiritual Ground."
Instead I have to call it
FRACTAL OF AWAKENING
THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE SOVEREIGN INDIVIDUAL

[Denis]

" I like to pretend is patient equanimity "

There are a few things that beg teasing out of this statement and in doing so I will end nowhere again, back home again.

Equanimity has no time for patience, it is in a sense outside of time, within stillness.

The pretend part is regarding measured honesty. "Measured honesty! What's that even mean?" I have been asked before. I could not or would not answer at the time as I was feeling set up with the question but I think I can take a shot at it now. Measured honesty in my mind does not refer to an amount of dishonesty built in but rather a self acknowledgment that I intimate a greater truth than the statement I honestly make. I cannot speak the greater truth yet but I can steer in the direction of a greater truth with what for now I will pass as "true". Sort of riding the tiger of unfolding and doing a play by play report. As greater enlightenment keeps unfolding, the ground keeps shifting, the parameters change and reality is different again and again. The only way I have found so far to stay in the game with the "borg" is to make use of this measured honesty as ethically as I can.

It is a funny place to live in this measured honesty. In a way I feel like I have a secret that I am keeping from others and I want to shout it out to all but then,though it resides within, it is also a secret to me! "Na Na I know something you don't know..." but then I don't know it either. It only comes in a painfully slow trickle like a long text delivered one letter at a time and the nature of the text changing with each word.

I don't know why I wrote this little rant...just try to keep myself honest I guess.

d.

[Jana]

Honesty is dangerous to the Borg.
I still haven't even figured out the first step with that in answering the Borgs question:
"How are you today?" The only REAL response to this question is to put on a robot voice and say "Irrelevent!"

You have your measured honesty...my approach is progressive honesty...try increasingly to come forth with more genuine expression...very hard to do if you rely on others for a living. I would like to be independently wealthy so I could be myself in all interactions.

[Jana]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bd2B6SjMh_w&mode=related&search=

artist:   Gnarls Barkley     song: Crazy

I remember when, I remember, I remember when I lost my mind
There was something so pleasant about that phase.
Even your emotions had an echo
In so much space

And when you're out there
Without care,
Yeah, I was out of touch
But it wasn't because I didn't know enough
I just knew too much

Does that make me crazy
Does that make me crazy
Does that make me crazy
Probably

And I hope that you are having the time of your life
But think twice, that's my only advice
Come on now, who do you, who do you, who do you, who do you think you are,
Ha ha ha bless your soul
You really think you're in control

Well, I think you're crazy
I think you're crazy
I think you're crazy
Just like me

My heroes had the heart to lose their lives out on a limb
And all I remember is thinking, I want to be like them
Ever since I was little, ever since I was little it looked like fun
And it's no coincidence I've come
And I can die when I'm done

Maybe I'm crazy
Maybe you're crazy
Maybe we're crazy
Probably 

[jimtzu]

although it can be dangerous, you can become a mirror so that when the Borg tries to interact, all it sees is itself.  rarely does it recognize what's being reflected, but it can short circuit the programming, usually with a violent outburst.  sometimes it takes a while to see a change but it can lead to a rewriting of their "code".

query:  where does the Borg come from?

[henry]

please indulge my failing sense of humor.  . borg is a tennis player from sweden. don't mess with borg ..henry...my 100th post. i'm a full member in excellent company

[Jana]

The Borg is a narrow set of rote learned impulses and responses enacted by default (unconsciously) during the course of human commerce. Giving the appearance of communication while maintaining a non-personal stance. Where a statement, while sounding like a personal inquiry ("How are you today?") or an endearment ("Take care!"),  is actually a power-play to create "distance" so that the ego can continue immediately on its consumptive path through Flatland looking for satisfaction. Thus the Borg is the machine of an unenlightened, uninitiated pretence at community that inlists a prior agreed upon limited exchange of irelevant data, and a consensus agreement that the mask must be maintained at all cost, and the Real and reality must be strenuously avoided. The Borg is the community of the trance of the consensus self at the expense of Truth, individuation and Presence.

[jimtzu]

ahhh  the Borg, (Bjorn excluded)...  i work the 2nd shift, so when i'm arriving i see the same 80 or so people leaving every night, with all the perfunctionary hello's, take it easy's and my favorite, have a good one, which i usually give a nudge to wake them up with a "it's too late for that".  it works, especially with newer people.  they actually have to stop and think for a second.  of course for some who have heard it a few times or the ones lost in the trance they think i'm sad or depressed, but that's their problem. 

[Jana]

We could start a Borg removal campaign and swop sayings and ways to help deal with it in a healthy manner...one thing is one must embrace the Borg rather than reject it.


Good Borgen!

How are you today?
All Borged out, thanks for asking.

[Robin]

Yah shore ya betcha', love this thread.

 

[Jana]

Sample of Borg psuedo science.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBKnVMNcPfw&mode=related&search=

[jimtzu]

i watched the vid and at the end i still didn't know what they were talking about.  seemed like it was more of an ad or demonstration of a computer graphics/web design outfit.  went to the homesite and googled it and of course there was nothing of substance that i could find.  came off like a high tech version of "the secret".  but, when you're selling dreams, from over function.

isn't part of the Borg mission to assimulate all that stands before it?