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[Jana]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yB7eJWLE_Pk&feature=related  —Lecture on Precession and 2012 by David Flynn, occult symbology and geometry. David Flynn wrote The Temple At The Center Of Time: Investigations of Sacred Dimension, Revealed in Prophecy, the Temple of Jerusalem and the Ark of the Covenant, from the works of Isaac Newton

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8251447278663885234 —The Naked Truth —how the world's religions are based on solar worship.

If you see the above videos and have a basic idea of Julian Jaynes book “The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind,” then you will clearly see how cosmic cycles and earths movement in the galaxy have paid a huge part in the development of our myths, religions, science and art. It appears that the snake represents both kundalini (spiritual emergence) and the milkyway itself, suggesting that our spiritual evolution is inexorably tied to the great wheel work of nature. The cross is none other than the four points on the compass, such that we may navigate the world with the aim of living up to the glory of the universe (Lord). 2012 represents an awakening of this hidden knowledge that we have been occupying ourselves with for thousands of years, without seeing the deeper meaning within the symbols.
The angels, the Ananaki, the Shining Ones were actually the first impulses of spiritual consciousness to arise within the brain of primitive cultures, who lacked the capacity to integrate these “voices” rationally. Thus arose a vast matrix of creative theology around the globe to explain this new higher awareness which, because of its foreignness to normal operating modes, was projected “out there” on the heavens and connected to the geometry of cosmic cycles themselves. Dazzled and mesmerized by the stories and the symbols themselves, even today we are barely cognizant of the origin and reason for our religions. The story goes that the angels eventually have to descend down to earth because there is no longer room for them in heaven. This is simply an intuition that the “angelic voices” which previously seemed to descend from afar, will eventually establish spiritualized consciousness within the mind of man. And rather than condemning angels to an unremitting worldly life, we ourselves will create the heaven on earth that is our legacy.
The tale of women having sex with Gods is not pointing to an alien breeding program, as many contemporaries suggest. It is probably related to Dionysian-like cults of women going through collective kundalini awakening, due to both cosmic influences and their joint mythological fever and rituals. As our newly emerging spirituality presented itself, its symptoms were intricately woven into the fabric of our religious myths. And because religion has been used for dominance and subversion few have gained the psychological maturity and distance to see the true physiological and psychological origins in the grand opus of the evolution of human consciousness.

[marianthi]

To those stewing in discontentment at the present state of humanity:

- Around 80 A.D. the colliseum in Rome was up and running. In one set of festivities there, 9,000 gladiators fought to death.  Routinely,  prisoners and Christians were thrown, kicking and screaming,  to unfed lions as a public spectacle.  Up to the 6th. Century, exotic animals such as snakes, elehants, panthers etc. were butchered as a show to paying public.

- In medieval Europe (plus or minus a few years), punishment for your crime might mean that you were skinned alive or roasted in a spit which was entered through your lower orifice and exited through your neck - while you were still alive...then there were the punisments for women deemed witches: the pire, scalding, banishment. 

- In Tudor England any theft of over 5 pence resulted in hanging.  Publicly, of course.


Have a look through history and you might find much more to celebrate today.

M.

[Michael]

Agreed Marianthi!  I've had a stroll through historical tales and came to the same conclusion.  We seem to live in an incredibly privileged time by and large.

Too bad it can't last...    

[marianthi]

Too bad it can't last...

Can you elaborate more on that thought, please, MichaelD?

M.

[Michael]

Can you elaborate more on that thought, please, MichaelD?

Well you know...that little thing about sustainability.

I don't want to go into all the details of possibilities, probabilities and the endless scenarios of our near and not-so-near futures,     But will rather refer you to a video  ha ha.

Arithmetic, Population and Energy:  Simple






Video series Continued...... well worth watching.

We surely can't know what's going to happen, and what things will change and how much.  But one thing we can pretty much count on is that things WILL change pretty drastically in the next decade or two...if not considerably sooner.  Of that I feel very confident.

[Jana]

Man, that is a great video Michael, it really ties it all together.

"The truth is this: If you take complete responsibility for your life, then everything you see, hear, taste, touch, or in any way experience is your responsibility because it is your life.
That means the terrorists, the president, the economy--anything you experience and don't like--is up to you to heal. They don't exist, in a manner of speaking, except as projections
from inside you.
The problem isn't with them; it is with you.
And to change them, you have to change yourself.
I know this is tough to grasp, let alone accept or actually life. Blame is far easier than total responsiblity. But as I spoke with Dr. Hew Lee, I began to realize that healing for him and in ho'oponopono means loving yourself. If you want to improve your life, you have to heal your life. If you want to cure anyone--even a mentally ill criminal--you do it by healing yourself.'' p.22 Zero Limits, Joe Vitale

[Jana]

If you go watch the Anthony de Mello - "Rediscovering Life" videos on youtube, you will see that he like Joe Vitale adopts the psychological stance that "the problem" lies within us. This is not to say that we are impervious to culture and circumstance or that we create all the evil in the world. It is a continued teaching on the saying of Jesus teaching of Looking in the Mirror First : Matthew 7:3-5 "First, take the wood out of your own eye. Then you will see clearly to take the dust out of your brother's eye."

Meaning that only by taking responsibility to "clean" (Dr. Lee) our own "I" we can change the world for the better...because we do not have total control over everything that happens on earth, but we do have the ability for conscious control over our own being. Rather than remain in victim condition, forever complaining about the state of the world we can immediately have access to healing our own perceptions and projections...and thereby to directly positively affect the world through our thought, energy and actions.
You have to read Zero Limits to get it, and see the De Mello videos.

Rather than a cop out and excuse for inaction this "philosophical, spiritual mirror healing" gives us the clarity needed for "divine action."

Cellular fore-giveness, Zero-resting neutral state, Causal Perfection—allows the receiving of divine in-spiration in order to be positively proactive toward transformation.

Our free-will to resist divine in-spiration out of fear, interference, doubt, negative program filters and habit—determines the type and extent of our dis-ease and disease.

It is our means of escape from the work of spiritual transformation that ties us to the world of samsara and causes us negative karma. In this way our escape mechanism is our free-willed hell, which comes about through lack of conscious mindfulness to the causal nature of existence.

Dr. Hew Len proposes that we constantly “clean” both “memory” and “inspiration” for we can never be sure exactly where the cause of our motivation arises from. By cleaning both memory and inspiration with love, we are more likely to arrive at the Divine Choice.

One of the main gifts I was given during my awakening was to realize the importance of what I called the neutral-resting state between the poles of opposites. During the experience of the extreme intensity and import of the kundalini-consciousness, I felt the dire need to get rid of, or rise above imprinting from the past and to enter a zero point-neutral state in order to know and follow the Divine Directive. At this time it wasn’t a “choice” I could make but the possession of life and death necessity.

Succumbing and reacting to the dis-ease and disease of the world does not make for a better world. Anthony De Mello’s stance of seeing our “hurts” as being caused by our own programming, gives us the inner resources to change our programming and this gives us some distance from the onslaught of the vagrities of fate.

Joe Vitale and Dr. Hew Lee’s stance of first loving and forgiving the darkness and pain within ourselves, gives us the ultimate weapon of peace in a world raked with war. By first reaching a kind of cellular equanimity through which divine inspiration can be palpated—then we can know the Divine Choice.

[marianthi]

We surely can't know what's going to happen, and what things will change and how much.  But one thing we can pretty much count on is that things WILL change pretty drastically in the next decade or two...if not considerably sooner.  Of that I feel very confident.

We seem to have been addressing two different issues here, MichaelD.  I was looking at our historic improvement in terms of how we value human life.  You were looking at our sustainability in terms of resources, given the present trends. 

I think that both of these came together in the chart that the lecturer of your video put up where on one side was a list of issues that brought us to our present situation - by encouraging pupulation increase, and on the other side an opposite list with issues that would decrease population but were absurd.  As he asked, would we opt for war, disease, poor sanitation etc. to keep our numbers small?  I ask: would we bring back gladiator fighting, , head chopping for minor offenses, throwing deformed babies off cliffs?  Fortunately not.

Population control.  Zero growth or even diminished growth is something we CAN do.  But how many people would want to be dictated on how many children they can have?   Nature does take population control in hand.  But it often means disasters.  The four horsemen of the Apocalypse might ride the skies.  If they do and tragedy lands at every door in order to keep our numbers down,  I´ll be ever so glad that our compassion level and the value we place on human life HAS risen.

M.

[Michael]

We seem to have been addressing two different issues here, MichaelD.  I was looking at our historic improvement in terms of how we value human life.  You were looking at our sustainability in terms of resources, given the present trends. 

Yes, I make the assumption that the finer aspects of civilization, such as shared values of compassion, empathy, mutual respect etc. are contingent upon a resource base.  Take away that base, and what becomes of those shared values?

I think that both of these came together in the chart that the lecturer of your video put up where on one side was a list of issues that brought us to our present situation - by encouraging pupulation increase, and on the other side an opposite list with issues that would decrease population but were absurd.  As he asked, would we opt for war, disease, poor sanitation etc. to keep our numbers small?  I ask: would we bring back gladiator fighting, , head chopping for minor offenses, throwing deformed babies off cliffs?  Fortunately not.

Really?  I honestly wonder what happens to otherwise good people when the food and energy runs out?  I suppose there's probably lots of studies done to try to answer that question, and if I had the time and inclination, I'd probably do a bit of looking...but in the meantime, I'll keep wondering.   

Population control.  Zero growth or even diminished growth is something we CAN do.  But how many people would want to be dictated on how many children they can have?   Nature does take population control in hand.  But it often means disasters.  The four horsemen of the Apocalypse might ride the skies.  If they do and tragedy lands at every door in order to keep our numbers down,  I´ll be ever so glad that our compassion level and the value we place on human life HAS risen.

Me too! 

And I hope it works morphogenicfieldly too.    If so, then it's less likely that a complete regression would take place if-when the food and water are gone and the lights go out.

[Jana]

I think the new energy systems will come on within the next 5 years...from there they will get progressively more and more ephemeralized until energy will be basically free in 20 years. Till then the exploitive capitalists will capitalize on the situation and try and screw the last dollar out of people. To a certain extent I think the Middle East drama might be a special performance in order to "justify" the price hike at the pump. What is occurring is the end result of a hundred years of Texas style business...but by the time the oil does run out, power generation will be so decentralized that the pathological capitalistic forces will never again be able to centralize enough power to unite politics-corporations-military. With decentralized power, fascist regimes like the current one in America will no longer be able to infest themselves. Then we will work out once and for all how to conduct our affairs so that politicoeconomic malignancies are no longer possible. They will be nipped in the bud before they start through sheer vehmence of an awake peace loving world population.

[marianthi]

Yes, I make the assumption that the finer aspects of civilization, such as shared values of compassion, empathy, mutual respect etc. are contingent upon a resource base.  Take away that base, and what becomes of those shared values?

I don´t think there would be an even response from humans to the lack of resources. 

It was my experience in post-war Europe, where the scarcity of  life-sustaining essentials was dominant throughout the population, that people became supportive of each other and rather organized about it.  In the 1940´s, in our building the residents took turns in holding winter gatherings in the evening where their wood stove would burn and keep all guest warm while the guests own stoves could save fuel during those hours.  Restaurant owners allowed patrons to bring their own food and wine as long as they consumed a bare minimum from the restaurant.  And much barter took place. 

Where I am at present, an unmanaged and pillaged land (which COULD be-and was- rich) in the so-called third world, the availability of resources is uneven due to uneven income and uneven mental capacities.  So those ín need´often turn to criminal action to obtain what they want (or would like to show off).  And human qualities of compassion, sharing and the rest are SCARCE, even though not unknown.

Interesting times unfold.

M.

[Jana]

We can all feel the eminent precipice, and so there is no choice but to "mature."
The armchair revolutionary is now the most painful, ulcer generating state possible. Self response-ability becomes the new default, the automatic response to collective insanity, a fight for our lives and the lives of a noble humanity. It is a silent revolution conducted through precision and choice and the conservation of sanity, of not buying into the hideous charade, of deeply knowing the ultimate agenda of maligned power. Of knowing a better way. Survival necessitates this transcendent revolutionary vision, which does not waste an ounce of its goodness in the disease of corrupt power. By not being addicted to empty consumerism, the soul is free to envision the future civil-izations where such waste of human life and desecration of Gaia is no more.

The powerists think that if they put on one hell of a good show, keep the plebs entertained, and make the process of election impossibly complex...that the people will then think that they indeed do have a hand in politics. That they do indeed live in a democratic republic. That they will fail to see that they are mere sheep and cattle for the slaughter in a pathetic game of deceit and cunning. I am surprised they haven't forced people to actually pay for the right to vote...in a way they have, through being taxed every which way even into the grave. The system is bust. We must exit the system.

[Jana]

What if we said that the fundamental structure of the universe was "information" and God was the process of the communication of information. All energy, matter, space and time...and the zeropoint vacuum being the communication of information.
Religion could be seen as the subrational understanding of information transfer.
Science could be seen as the rational investigation of information transfer.
Spirituality could be seen as the transrational grokking of information transfer.

As a species we need to get a few things straight once and for all.
There is no spirit that is not connected to corporal matter...thus when a body dies the spirit disappears and doesn't enter another form. If the soul transferred from one life form to the next it would have to be smaller than a single subatomic particle...for how else could soul hold itself intact within spacetime and the quantum vacuum in order to enter another form. There is no such thing as ghosts or reincarnation...all human bodies are food for decomposing lifeforms. Religion sold people on reincarnation and eternal life in order to tie death-fearing populations into their tilth system...thus "believers" are farmed for their fear. Then there are the miracles...again to dazzle the plebs into renewing their faith and committing their wallets to the church.

Now we are being told that rationalism is threatening the moral fiber of humanity...when it is "believers" who are fanatics that kill in the name of a God. It is people pretending to be believers that send millions of Iraqi and US military to their deaths, bomb their own towers and bring foreign relations to the brink of nuclear war.

If we do not quit our fear of death...humanity will surely kill itself in a vain attempt to secure its irrational beliefs.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVRsWAjvQSg&feature=related —Ken Miller on Evolution vs. Intelligent Design - Apes and Humans etc...

[Jana]

“Fear is the universe’s anarchist. It detonates, kills, annihilates, poisons and as a result endlessly begets, because destruction in the nether regions is an act of procreating. The raving obsession of fear incorporate in the spiritual underworld and form disease processes in the body.”144, The Magic of Everyday Life, Maria Szepes.
 
The Bush-Cheney fear tactics have merely served to discredit America in the mind of the world and to create a sick economy. The lose of integrity, creating a loss of confidence and positivity that keeps commerce moving along.

“Fear is just as much a mystic element of manifestation as the Lucifer principle. It is destructive without an escape route or keys. It solves nothing and leads nowhere. The instinct to destroy life circulates within it as a blind irritation. Fear is the universe’s anarchist. It detonates, kills, devastates, annihilates, poisons and as a result endlessly begets, because destruction in the nether regions is an act of procreating. The raving obsessions of fear incorporate in the spiritual underworld and form disease process in the body…Fear never rescues us from anything, it merely casts us into greater misfortune. Fear does not heal but makes us sick.” Maria Szepes, The Magic of Everyday Life

Szepes suggests that to conquer fear we use the imagination to create antitoxins and antitheses to the disempowering persuasions of fear. We must take our fears to the point of ad absurdum in our mind…to remove our focus from the dank dungeons and contemplate the cosmic purpose of life. Instead of investing our energy in fear which gives no positive dividends to invest it instead in the fertile garden of our dreams.

“The human brain is a conversion device mediating between lower and higher worlds.” Maria Szepes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGz_IMxDed0&feature=related —Bush Hypnotizes America

[jimtzu]

There is no spirit that is not connected to corporal matter...thus when a body dies the spirit disappears and doesn't enter another form. If the soul transferred from one life form to the next it would have to be smaller than a single subatomic particle...for how else could soul hold itself intact within spacetime and the quantum vacuum in order to enter another form.

isn't that reducing spirit to the material realm?  what is spirit?  what is conciousness?  information... energy.. awareness?

i've seen it said there is no oppisite to love, but i've also seen it said that the oppisite of love is fear.  hmmmmmm