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[Francis]

The concept of transparent time is interesting. Einstein's inspiration for special relativity theory was his realization that if we could travel at the speed of light, then time would stand still for us when so doing. Transparent time might be a better metaphor for explaining and understanding clairvoyance than is the concept of akashic fields. But we need concepts to explain anything. All concepts are symbolically represented and are therefore imperfect because they are misleading to a certain extent. So you're proposing a less-imperfect metaphor.

The question I have is: Do we need concepts to understand our experience? Is there a nonconceptual way to understand the world? Is there a way to conceive concepts that is non-symbolic? Concepts are the Nazi brownshirts of socialization, forcing us to think only within set parmeters and forcefully misleading us along the way.

[Jana]

The only way we can rise above our present dark age is to constantly evolve our maps and language that we use to diagnose and communicate our reality...if the maps do not evolve, we essentially stagnate at the same infantile-primitive concept of reality which "others" have constructed for us.

All rennaisances in human history are associated with a reworking and relanguaging of our conceptualization of reality...keeping in mind that no matter how good the map, it is always just a facsimile and not the territory itself!

[jimtzu]

would Gnosis be considered pre or tran language (symbols)? 

[Jana]

Your question blows the fuse in my brainbox.
Gnosis, or intuitive subtle-psi intelligence, Heart-wisdom if you will...does have a symbolic language which must then be interpreted (unpacked) rationally.
A transcendental vision say, one could "unpack" rationally for an entire lifetime.

The Gnostic insight comes through as formless emotional passion, then this is shunted through the mental filtering system as we reinterpret the information within the current developmental level of our intellectual capacities and associations at the time.

First vital-physical revelation (emotional causal) Delta
Then translation into archetype, myth, symbol, story, words, voices, visions, dreams Theta
Then rational explanation and analysis of the data Beta
Full circle of "emotional digestion" of the material as it becomes assimilated and turned into action and behavior. Alpha or Flow

This is the same sequence as my kundalini awakening progression of the development of the psyche-body over the course of the awakening period...so there is probably validity to the idea that it occurs during each event of gnostic illumination, as well as over the longer periodacy of an entire kundalini awakening of up to 7 years, or a lifetime.

What I think Ken doesn't quite get (set me straight) is that the first impulse is vitalism or emotion and therefore this must be the causal level. Michael Brown also refers to the emotional as being "causal." It might just be a language barrier, but this point does need to be clarified.

[jimtzu]

i would think that the first impulse or phase of a gnostic insight would be pure experience, a one on one experience that is before and beyond symbols. an experience that almost immediately turns into the most basic of symbols (graphically, colors, sounds depending on the individual), then some form of language as the mind takes over and tries to process it in a linear mode and moving up thru stages of whatever system is being used to unpack it.

now, where would gamma come into play in the way you're describing?  would it be the resulting realization (momentary enlightenment) that comes after being processed by the mind, a high quality reflection of the original experience, but still one step away?  once it has been filtered thru the intellect and emotions, the experience is already a memory, lost in the 4th dimension of time, a shadow of itself. 

[Jana]

Gamma appears to be the "holographic" integrating wave which allows the coil-essence of Gnosis, but associated with this is the lowest frequency Epsilon. I think the low frequencies contains/allows the most amount of information (check Walter Russell and Tom Bearden). Thus we have the integrating frequency Gamma combined with the "wholistic-cosmic" information data wave Epsilon.

I think this might have something to do with the stillness of Epsilon allowing the greatest degree of coherency of light/consciousness to occur...which can then be best conveyed to the intellectual processing areas of the brain as the information is stepped up through Theta into Beta. We have tended to think that Theta was the hypnogogic wave of creative insight...but really it is simply the valve between the deeper Epsilon state and the conscious-reception state of Beta.

If we all get Jeffery Thompson's two CDs Epsilon and Gamma we should collectively be able to raise our vibration to manifest what Aurobindo called the "Supermind." www.neuroacoustic.com/meditation.html

GAMMA
Gamma is the Ecstatic State of Consciousness which includes extraordinary states of consciousness associated with "Shamanic" and "Mystical" experiences. During moments when bursts of precognition or high-level information processing occur, your brainwaves reach the Gamma state. The Gamma brain wave state corresponds to frequencies between 40 – 100 Hz. When Gamma brainwaves are strong the entire cortex is activated, "binding" information from all the senses together for a higher-level awareness of unity of the objects of our perception. It is a brainwave that  holographically integrates the brain and helps it to work as a whole. Gamma is associated with higher mental activity, including perception and consciousness. - since Gamma activity disappears with general anesthesia.  The babies brain has strong Gamma activity as their brain has not yet been segregated into distinct parts. Their sense of self is simple, whole and integrated.


EPSILON
Brainwave frequency patterns below the lowest Delta rhythms of 0.5 Hz are as slow as one quarter cycle per second, one frequency per 10 seconds, per one minute, or even longer.  This wavelength is associated with extraordinary states of consciousness such as very high states of meditation, ecstatic states of consciousness, revelatory states, spiritual insight (gnosis) and out-of-body experiences.  Some of the higher Yogic states of suspended animation associated with deepest Delta brain states actually continue deeper into these below-Delta brainwave states, which Dr. Jeffrey Thompson named the Epsilon State, Epsilon, since it is the next Greek letter of the alphabet after Delta.  Dr. Thompson surmised that these extremely slow Epsilon brainwave patterns might have extremely fast HyperGamma/Lambda brainwave patterns modulating within them - just as the HyperGamma/Lambda brainwave patterns seem to "ride" on the super slow Epsilon modulation.

[jimtzu]

i like you're coinage of coil-essence, bringing things full circle and tying the frequency waves together.  i've always looked at life as being circular and added with the time dimension it's represented as a spiral (coil).

i've been playing around with using 0.1 Hz  for a while using the neuro-programmer software http://www.transparentcorp.com/products/np/
which is supposedly the resonating frequency of the Earth, definetly in the Epsilon range. the software has Gamma sessions already built in and goes as low as Delta, but you can program whatever frequency (ies) you want, so if you want to go that route, it's much cheaper than buying specific CD's.

[Jana]

Precognition or penetration of the time domain is just as hard to "prove" and explain as reincarnation...and the Akashic Field is similarly impossible to prove and explain as yet.

I think the experiment that William Tiller described of DNA leaving its spectographic "imprint" on the space of a room even tho the air changed over the course of months is one main clues into the nature of deeper reality.

Coil-essence...the structures in the brain are spiral in nature, perhaps because of the chiral nature of the proteins, DNA etc...itself. The structures of life are spiral...and light travels in spirals as does the blood in the veins.
Synchrotron radiation occurs when electrons spiral into a magnetic field. Neuroglia (connective tissue of the central nervous system) are actually tightly wound spirals, helixes and vortices",
www.greatdreams.com/grace/1/3diamagspiral.html
www.greatdreams.com/grace/1/7magnetism.html#7.4

[Francis]

The only way we can rise above our present dark age is to constantly evolve our maps and language that we use to diagnose and communicate our reality...if the maps do not evolve, we essentially stagnate at the same infantile-primitive concept of reality which "others" have constructed for us.

All rennaisances in human history are associated with a reworking and relanguaging of our conceptualization of reality...keeping in mind that no matter how good the map, it is always just a facsimile and not the territory itself!

Every map or model is a distorted interpretation of the territory. We have so many different kinds of maps in order to emphasize certain aspects, to the (distortion and) exclusion of other aspects. If you're traveling by jet at 14,000 feet, existing highways are usually not important, so you leave them off your map. It all depends on what you're trying to acheive. Creativity then is mapping a previously unmapped aspect or mapping an already mapped aspect in a new way. There is no end to the new ways to do it. From all this, no map can be comprehensive and no map can really even be final. There are more maps than there are perspectives because each perspective can also be divided into sub-perspectives.

All rennaisances in human history are associated with a reworking and relanguaging of our conceptualization of reality. The new paradigm becomes an entrenched and inflexible meme that then needs to be toppled by force.

[Jana]

Hey yea...
Inspiration
Motivation
Action
Flow
Reaction
Dogma
Stagnation
Disease
Death
Rebirth
Rennaisance

Reading the Presence Process I see I am about 90% reactivity and 10% creativity.
You get in your own face when you read that book

Denver convention today made the psychosphere dense, thick, serious, slow. It was not hyper, aggressive, excited, tense or fearful...it was "dull, a dense dullness!" Perhaps we are being bombarded by HARP.

[Francis]

If we cannot feel the peace that is already given, it is because our unintegrated fear, anger, and grief is distorting our felt-perception. Only by consciously integrating our imprinted fear, anger, and grief do we reawaken our felt-perception and open ourselves to the naturally peaceful resonance of the heart.- thepresenceportal.com

The reactive portion comes from the unintegrated subconscious content? Is that right? I 'm going to get that book. This sounds like Jungian individuation to me. Fear, anger and grief are in the shadow and need to be integrated. Brown has a technology to do just that. And a way to estimate the ratio of reaction to response (creativity).

[Jana]

I am highly self-observatory anyway, always have been. And I have been watching my "reactivity" more closely since the Mr. Brown talk, but this self observation of my reactivity started to reach fever pitch just prior to going to the talk to the point where I was sickened by my self.
Now, perhaps lifted by the wildness of the democratic convention energy in our area I am starting to enter a more proactive, yang, creative mode...instead of waiting for reality to hit me in the face first.  If you are even just a tad more preemptive, and assertive in life people are more attracted, accommodating and respectful.

Yea go check out his audio and video on www.thepresenceportal.com

Check out the Murry Gell-Man video on creative thinking and Edward De Bono videos on youtube.

[jimtzu]

i think self-conscious people have an advantage on the road to "waking up".
if it doesn't turn into a pathology, they can ease a little further back and find the witness and observe themselves in a more healthy way. eventually seeing the inter-connectedness of everything.  seeing their being-ness in the world they can turn it outwards and express it in conscious doing-ness.  and i suspect that observing this whole proscess can lead to transcending  any "self"-conciousness that turns into "living"-ness.

the ones causing the problems in the world are the un-awake, totally ego driven people who are only aware of their personas and try to make/use the world to fit this illusion of who they are. the whole spectrum of sociopaths, from the mild self-deluded to the truly dangerous.

[Francis]

It makes sense to me that self-consciousness is like the foundation of the Maslow progression. A person needs to shore up their own emotional and physical security first and foremost. If they have energy left over after this is accomplished they can expand out from there. I think of a sociopath as someone using misguided and often desperate measures in a frantic attempt to shore up their own emotional and physical security. But there is no sense in trying to get them on track unless we've done it first for ourselves. Like a welfare mother that tries to be a philanthropist.

[Jana]

"I think of a sociopath as someone using misguided and often desperate measures in a frantic attempt to shore up their own emotional and physical security. But there is no sense in trying to get them on track unless we've done it first for ourselves. Like a welfare mother that tries to be a philanthropist." Francis

Yea like Wallace Wattles says: "you cannot be a philanthropist without money"...well on any kind of scale in todays world at least. But there was The Man Who Planted Trees remember—we can all ooze kindness and regenerosity no matter how little we have. We must garden the world.

This little quote of yours hints at the key issue of the age...our individual survival/evolution within a corrupt/disintegrating culture, lead by a bunch of sociopathic corporations and bankers. Playing on the plebs and dupes buttons for emotional and physical security. How are we to attend to the larger picture when our individual lives are in crisis...how to we tend to the future in a substantial and coordinated-concerted way. We need to rally a corpse-polis worldwide that operates beyond all governments and socalled aid institutes...for we know all the old systems of power are bringing the human species to a short sharp close.