Is Spirituality Spiritual?

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The word 'politics' is derived from the word 'poly', meaning 'many', and the word 'ticks', meaning 'blood sucking parasites'. ~ Larry Hardiman

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[Francis]

I think the key is emotional security. Like the story of Ebenezer Scrooge. The ghosts (thoughtforms) visited him and all of the sudden he gained emotional security, or at least a plan to get it. He realizes that his old plan was not working. Physical security is supposedly the next best thing, so people chase that because they don't know of any really effective strategies for getting emotional security. or they conflate the two. Either way, I think we need a science of emotional satiety. Amazing how physical science is so advanced and emotional science is still so primitive.

[Jana]

The most important things are always figured out last.
Michael Brown is one of the leaders in emotional sanity.
Emotional instability is really fu*king with my ability to get my present book done...but this emotional instability is based on lack of social support/supportiveness and financial insecurity.
I have to do some reworking of my situation in order to get more strength and emotional stability to continue with my writing.

[Francis]

Part of the problem is that it's socially acceptable to act from a place of emotional insecurity. Debilitating emotional hangups are the norm. Most of the cats that you meet on the street speak of true love, but most of the time they're sittin and cryin at home.

[Jana]

I think we have discussed this before. About the propensity to react and be overly affected by the opinions/projections of others. This is due to the fact that we as a child were generally not confirmed, affirmed, and seen as a spiritual entity - sufficient unto itself. Thus the old mammalian brain foundations is emotionally weak and open to persuasive attack from other primates in the group. As we humans are the most nasty of all the primates, certain unconscious individuals will attack us when they "feel" their barbs will yield results. To stop being a target for this emotional violence we need to raise our "awakeness" level through detoxification and strenuous exercise. As we build in physical strength we become more emotionally strong and stable, and so we do not invite attack from the weak, shadowy side of others and can forge more proactively through the social world engendering pleasure instead of pain.

[Francis]

We probably have discussed it before. Wholesale short term memory loss is a great remedy for the boredom engendered by repetitive talk. 

[Jana]

Ok, as long as we can agree to joint amnesia its ok.

A conflicted or damaged will to live can result in bio-suppression (that is the negative feminine or excess yin). This impacts our ability to self-nurture (mother) and consequently our inner child is frustrated and abandoned. We are unable to “parent” our emotions toward their highest form and we remain helplessly blown around by one pushy trigger after another from others. This lack of self-care and self-compassion lowers our energetic boundaries and social immunity, which leaves us open to predators and parasites of both the microbial and human types. An oversensitive yin interior is often compensated for by a tough exterior. But love, rather than aggression, is the force field that allows the maintenance of self-integrity within the social context.

[Francis]

The dark night takes a person to Absolute Rock Bottom. Emotionally, that is. This has helped me build myself back up emotionally by starting from scratch. Every step, no matter how small, above ARB is met with gratitude. This is what I mean by low expectations. People who have never been to ARB simply cannot appreciate the little things. Gratitude = wealth.

"You never miss your water 'till your well runs dry."

"Businessmen, they drink my wine and ploughmen dig my earth. None of them along the line know what any of it is worth."

[Jana]

I have hit bottom for the last 8 years, but it has also been a peak in a way.

I think it is more of a case of fake it till you make it.
Americans expect you to make jokes back as they torture you. It is not a problem unless it goes on year after year and to a sensitive Kiwi it biologically depresses you and their barbs get meaner. They biologically hate themselves for being the way they are, and yet are not conscious of what they are doing because the whole culture is caustic. Still even within this context, one has to rise above it...to raise ones energy and game within the catastrophe of daily life and pretend one is enjoying oneself...Daniel in the lions den. Wherever you are there is much work to do if you can see it...getting on top of the game is the nature of the spiritual quest whatever the context.

[Jana]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4taCTbK5-Ko&feature=related  —Great talk with Jeffrey Mishlove on Psi and reincarnation and such.

I am not sure there is such a thing as the Akashic Field...but on reading Walter Russell one does glimpse the mystical idea that all manifestation does come out of the vacuum, and is fueled by the vacuum...apparently there is enough energy in one cubic inch of vacuum to create the entire manifest universe...these concepts are hard to grasp with the logical mind. I tend to think a lot of psi phenomena to be precognition of our own future timeline of information receival...however we really need to study the phenomena of the superpsychic children to really begin to understand how consciousness ties into the manifest and nonmanifest universe and if like Hagelin says at the planck scale energy/consciousness/matter are one thing. At the Planck scale: relativity meets quantum mechanics meets gravity.

I am going to send my transcending the myth of reincarnation thing off to Jeffrey Mishlove to see if he can tell me where I might have gone wrong or to elaborate on my thoughts on the matter.

Science and the Akashic Field: An Integral Theory of Everything by Ervin Laszlo

[henry]

in the Grail story,a holy sister of perpetual sorrow laughs uncontrollably at the sight of parzival

[Jana]

I am such a parzival...I would like to get over my worldsaving gig once and for all, but the parzival in me just keeps getting bigger, smarter and more willing to be martyred.

"The whole history of civilization is strewn with creeds and institutes which were invaluable at first, and deadly afterwards." Walter Bagehot

Continually in envisioning a desired future we must take stock of our reliance on theories, attitudes and methods that may have made sense in the past but have since become redundant or counterproductive.

The ressurrection myth captured our imagination during our spiritual infancy when we were still looking for a parential figure (messiah) to come save us. The reincarnation myth inspired us during our individual development when we become interested in personal salvation and ascension through understanding the nature of cause and effect.

Now that global survival necessitates ever increasing lucidity and reality-adjustment we can clearly see that perservation of the Life Principle and the DNA that supports the continuum of Life is the most important focused needed for the evolution of consciousness/spirituality.

Thus it is apparent that reGeneration is the essential religion of our time, that addresses our current karmic circumstances and will prepare the ground for new civilizations and new myths to come.

But we must let go of the old myths and fully embrace the new spiritual reality in order to join together in concerted effort to effect the desired change. Therfore both deprogramming and reprogramming must occur in all aspects of human enterprise over the entire globe...using the full capacity of our collective creativity, communication and spiritual powers. Such that a geometrically progressive movment of reGeneration occurs which will halt and reverse our current state of ongoing and escalating deGeneration.

[henry]

we both can't be parzival jana , and its not that old a myth. grail question: "what ails thee uncle?" how can i help? oh, how i long for the days before that lance pierced my "thigh" ..amfortas

[Jana]

They are talking about kundalini...lance/thigh.

We all got a little Parsival in us some more than others. It might be a projection of ones own needs and need for change—that we try to enforce change on the world, or assist its transformation. I wish I had Francis's eyes by which to see all is exactly fine as is in all its stupidity and silliness.

Hadron goes off on Sept 10th...which brings me right back to my Thete story of the 80's wherein Thete's challenge was to rest in emptiness while dancing with form, and accepting the world as is. He was a little too smart for the silliness of the world, and yet as one man-soul, even tho he was the smartest man in existence, he could not "change" the world. Letting the world be is the hardest of challenges...something the mind cannot achieve, but the heart can


"When you get tired of saving the world, the real work begins." -Isaac Allen (A Leap! Guy).

[Francis]

The whole history of civilization is strewn with creeds and institutes which were invaluable at first, and deadly afterwards...The ressurrection myth captured our imagination during our spiritual infancy when we were still looking for a parential figure (messiah) to come save us.

What can save us is the act of letting go the of the toxic creeds and institutes. The lesson of the messiah is that he can let go of everything and this sacrifice of letting go helps others by example. The rigid tree snaps in the strong wind.

[Jana]

According to astrotheology the Messiah is the "SUN" therefore the sun resurrects every year and comes back to create the fertility of spring...
The sun is all giving. Giving to all beings regardless of stature.
Because the messiah sun is all giving he holds onto no thing. All is for-given.
The solar-heart, infinite compassion...until the frecking sun blows up into a red giant that is!!!