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« Reply #30 on: September 05, 2007, 10:44:44 PM »

 http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-8993422112864357113&q=unplugged+on+ufo%27s&total=6&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

worth watching in my opinion.

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« Reply #31 on: September 05, 2007, 10:57:49 PM »

Mr. Howard promised the esteemed leader vampire bat president that he would contribute 50,000 young innocent ignorant troops toward the oil wars, as long as they can take their goats. Mr Howard being a smart man wasn't willing to gamble as to what was under those "Abayah". And if times got hard, at least the troops would have food for a day or two.



isn't that how Mad Max and the thunderdome got it's start?  Shocked
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« Reply #32 on: September 06, 2007, 10:32:12 AM »

Making a pact with the devil.
Of course the average Aussie is too smart to side with US war mongering, but the politicians, well they are an inferior breed of backslapping, moneygrabbing, moral incompetents. I doubt it is territorial base the US is looking for, except perhaps as a staging ground to ward off Asia in the long run, perhaps some anti North Korea missiles etc... Base preparations for "defense" against China. No what the oil boys want now is more troops...they are losing ground in Iraq, while preparing to go into Iran, and still trying to keep Afganistan under raps...while Saudi Arabia must be rightly pissed for being used in the 911 propaganda. Yikes, no president except for our sweet Bushy could have made such a mess. Think some fresh Aussie blood is going to change things on this chess board. HA!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uhwdpnBLxw&NR=1
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« Reply #33 on: September 06, 2007, 09:00:52 PM »

I think I am getting my faith back in science with this guy...yikes, at last!

Conspiracy of Science - Earth is in fact growing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjgidAICoQI&mode=related&search=
Neal Adams animation about his theory that the Earth is growing. This collides with the Pangea theory. The Earth is three times in circumference now than it was 200 million years ago. There is no subduction. No plates subduct. Subduction is unscientific and untrue, the ramifications of which are world shaking. And… the Earth grows!
www.nealadams.com/morescience.html
 Woo Hoo!
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« Reply #34 on: September 08, 2007, 07:31:49 PM »

there's a lot of interesting information on the expanding earth theory.  science's 20-20 hindsight might yet change on how we look at this in the future. 
http://www.expanding-earth.org/

Approximately 200 million years ago ALL of today’s continents were joined together as a single planetary landmass on a much smaller planet (slightly larger than Mars is today) when NONE OF TODAY’S OCEANS EXISTED!

+ This unequivocal evidence suggests Earth’s diameter has increased at an accelerating velocity. Today’s oceans cover ~71% of Earth’s surface, which equates to a ~40% increase in Earth’s diameter in just ~200 Ma, an incredibly short period in geologic time. Earth’s diameter then, without oceans, would have been only ~7640 km (~4747 mi) or about ~60% of its current average diameter of 12,734.889 km (7913.46 mi). [North American Datum of 1983, NOAA, 1989]

+ The Earth ~200 Ma was different from Wegener’s 1912 concept of a single continental landmass (Pangaea) that covered one hemisphere, surrounded by a single hemispheric ocean (Panthalassa) on a planet of today’s diameter because WEGENER’S PANTHALASSA NEVER EXISTED!

+ This evidence also nullifies the Kant-Laplace (1796) nebular hypothesis of creation of the Earth ~4.5 billion years ago, which requires replacement by an entirely new cosmological theory for creation of the Earth and other bodies in our Solar System.

+ This evidence also verifies Carey’s Earth Expansion hypothesis [1956, 1976] that was rejected by the world’s scientific community three decades ago after the subduction concept was introduced by Oliver and Isacks [1967].

+ Subduction is not only illogical, it is not supported by geological or physical evidence, and violates fundamental laws of physics. Had the scientific community been less hasty in adopting subduction they might have realized subduction’s fatal flaw that shows WHY subduction is totally false. [See P. 2 – Subduction Sophistry]

+ This evidence also eliminates subduction from current plate tectonics dogma because it was adopted on the basis of a constant-diameter Earth and EARTH’S DIAMETER HAS NEVER BEEN CONSTANT.

+ The supreme irony of subduction and the conclusive argument that subduction is false can be summarized quite simply by the following illustration.

IF EARTH'S DIAMETER IS FIXED AND UNCHANGING, the Atlantic Ocean basin MUST continue to EXPAND, pushing North and South America westward until they collide with Asia and Australia AFTER ELIMINATING THE PACIFIC OCEAN.

This means North and South America would have been pushed from the west side of Pangaea to the east side of Pangaea—half way around the planet and eliminating the entire Pacific Ocean basin in the process. This would happen despite the massive growth of new seafloor along the East Pacific Rise, which today is actually expanding the Pacific Ocean basin—not decreasing it!

WHAT’S CAUSING RAPID GROWTH AND EXPANSION?

ANSWER: TWO concurrent basic mechanisms reinforcing each other:

1.  ACCRETION OF MATTER FROM SPACE GRADUALLY INCREASING EARTH’S MASS, GRAVITY, SURFACE AREA AND DIAMETER

2.  INTERNAL CORE EXPANSION BY TECTONIC FORCE OF EXPANDING MAGMA MELTED BY GRAVITY-GENERATED COMPRESSIVE HEAT

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« Reply #35 on: September 09, 2007, 09:00:23 AM »

Approximately 200 million years ago ALL of today’s continents were joined together as a single planetary landmass on a much smaller planet (slightly larger than Mars is today) when NONE OF TODAY’S OCEANS EXISTED!

I like the expanding theory alot, but surely the expansion began from earths inception, as it cooled.
I am curious where the water for the oceans came from in such a short time period, and I can imagine that this earth expansion happened over billion year period, but I can't quite get the 200 million, it sounds too recent/too short a time period for such massive change?
I can see how crust is more expanded than magma, could this growth be caused by steadily cooling magma, and will the earth die when the core cools and  solidifies more. I doubt there is much chance of the earth exploding.
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« Reply #36 on: September 09, 2007, 12:35:58 PM »

i've read before that scientists think that the earth's water came from comets hitting the planet, back in infancy of the solar system when everything was more chaotic. along with the frozen ice came the other matter that formed the layers of the outer crust.  the planet itself has been changing and evolving from the beginning in one form or another, so i imagine it's gone thru many stages to get to what we know today or even the 200 million stage the theory refers to.  the tools to view that far back havn't been invented yet.
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« Reply #37 on: September 09, 2007, 12:42:47 PM »

finally listened to part one of ken wilber's new dimensions interview this morning. i'm confused about the schedule, but maybe you can stream it at 7:00 pm at wvtf or 9:00 pm wets tonight eastern time. or other u.s. public radio stations this week. unusual that craig hamilton did the interview and that it was not recorded in the new dimension studio.... evolutionary enlightenment sounded mildly tedious, but maybe part two will be more exciting Beats me..henry
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« Reply #38 on: September 09, 2007, 09:07:07 PM »

I will get back to the expanded earth tomorrow.

But here is a little news break from JanaBananaBroadcasting JBB

Hopefully you will find this more exciting than the Ken interview henry.. wave

Of course this is just the rantings of a crazed conspiracy theorist, so don’t take it seriously. BUT. This country is enlisting foreign troops from Mexico, Russia, Australia and who knows elsewhere. The only reason why they would do this is to build a force against civil unrest. And why would the placid population of the US get restless?
They were expecting more of a civil response after 911 because they were guilty—so we can assume that they are feeling mighty guilty now—in enlisting ? foreigners.

So what are they about to do?
They are immunizing the military, even those not deployed, with anthrax and ? These shots are causing immune breakdown, joint and spine spirs etc…I had a guy tell me today his anthrax shot gave him a 3” festering fustule.
Listening to Rokke and Alex Jones, Dr. Rokke said there was nothing to be done for these troops getting sick with these shots—WHY THE HELL DID HE SAY THAT!
That means that whatever they are immunizing these guys against is meant to kill.

Alex Jones - Dr. Doug Rokke interview part 1 of 7
.nfowars.net:443/stream1.pls...Alex Jones Dr. Doug Rokke DU Depleted Uranium Project SHAD Soldiers Troop MIlitary Toxic Chemical Virus Iraq
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzO4kAZLong

Now this conspiracy theory is very new, it only came together today. But it might mean that the dark lords are going to make a move prior to the Nov-08 while they still have political license. It appears that this move is going to be against The Land of the Free and the Brave. And we can assume that it is going to be microbial in nature, because of the worldwide deaths of many of the disease biologists.

It may be anthrax, or a cocktail. It may spread via jets over urban centers, in the water supplies or in dirty bombs. It would have to be done all at once over the whole country.
We need to know how long it will take to get the foreign police-state guards trained and in place…we need to know where they will hit first…we must consider the breakdown of all civil-urban systems and mass panic. Forget medical treatment you will have to look after yourself and your own.

We need to build up our immune systems now, that means sunshine, daily exercise, liquid minerals from a complete source--Himalayan salt, kelp and the shale/fulvic acid etc…Increase your magnesium citrate, antioxidants, eat raw green/orange/reds.
Get some self defense training in to activate your energies. Get some sun and grow some wheatgrass prior to winter. Collect plenty of bottled water in the house, at this point it can be tap water filtered and outgased for a few days, put some MSM and Himalayan salt in it.

If you want, Email me and I will send you my 60 page cancer list which has almost everything you will need to know for max immunity. jananz@hotmail.com  put “LIST WANTED” in the subject so I don’t miss you.

BUT never fear, this is probably an illusionary scenario born from the tension resulting from lack of sex, combined with immanent menopause. It couldn’t possibly be real. After all we have democratically elected leaders in power who care so passionately for the American people that they would bomb there own buildings in order to fight another country in order to get oil for the American people of course. Don’t worry about the foreign troops, they will probably be charming. And since they probably haven’t been exposed to much depleted uranium, you could even breed with them. I hope that some Swedes, Fins and Nords are enlisted, but probably not; those guys are a little too smart to get pulled into this. Whatever it is. Whatever it is, is bound to happen before Nov’08.
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« Reply #39 on: September 10, 2007, 10:36:08 AM »

Thanks for that Jana, very good. And I sure hope it remains just a rant.... pray

Here's something equally unrelated to the UFO topic, (though it does contain a tiny clip of an alien in there somewhere).  It could explain the reason behind your thesis Jana:

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« Reply #40 on: September 10, 2007, 06:07:09 PM »

Of course this is just the rantings of a crazed conspiracy theorist, so don’t take it seriously. BUT.


The Necessary Embrace of Conspiracy

by Robert Shetterly

Several years ago I gave a talk on Martha’s Vineyard about many of the people whose portraits I’ve painted in the Americans Who Tell the Truth series. I spent some time talking about the legacy of Martin Luther King, Jr. When I talk about King, I like to focus on his last year — the period when, defying the advice of many of his advisors in the civil rights movement, he spoke against the Vietnam War, equating racism with imperialism. King felt bound to make the point that the forces of capitalism, materialism, and militarism that were driving segregation were also driving the war, and until we confronted the source of the problem, the abuses would continue. It was April 4, 1967, in Riverside Church in New York, that he made that declaration. A year to the day before his assassination.

It has always confounded me every year when we celebrate Dr. King’s life that no mention is made of that Riverside Church speech in the major media. We are always treated to sound bites of the 1963 I Have a Dream speech. That speech’s oratory is as powerful as it is non-confrontational. Which is why it is re-played for modern audiences. Dr. King was about confrontation. Non-violence and confrontation, each ennobling and making the other effective. In 1967 he said, “… my country is the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today.” And he explained how our economic system thrived on exploitation and violence, or, as Emma Goldman put it, “The greatest bulwark of capitalism is militarism.” This was probably the most important speech King ever gave and not playing it when we ostensibly honor him, is tantamount to castrating him morally and intellectually. Just as there is a long history of White America castrating black men, there is an equal legacy of Elite America cutting the most important truths of our social prophets out of the history books. We pay homage to King’s icon, the cardboard cutout, but not to his strongest beliefs and his most cogent analysis of our problems — to what vision called forth his courage. And, if we think that he spoke the truth, to censor that truth is to promote a curious kind of segregation. He is segregated, not for the color of his skin, but for the accuracy of his perception, how close to the bone his words cut. We can’t bear to hear the sound of truth’s knife scraping on hypocrisy’s bone. Only people who actually want to change the system dance to that music or want it to be heard.

Equally important, and part of the same neglect, is the intentional ignoring of the facts of his death. In my talk on Martha’s Vineyard I spoke about William Pepper’s book, An Act of State: The Execution of Martin Luther King, Jr. Pepper had been James Earl Ray’s lawyer. Ray was the man convicted of killing King. But both Pepper and the King family were convinced that Ray was innocent. The King family hired Pepper to represent them in a suit; they asked only $100.00 in damages to clear Ray’s name. Before the trial came to court in 1999, Ray had died in prison. The jury determined that King had been assassinated by a conspiracy involving the Memphis police, the Mafia, the FBI, and the Special Forces of the U.S. Army. Ray, the patsy, had left town before the shot was fired. Pepper had confessions from people involved from each of the organizations named. The verdict was barely mentioned in the U.S. media then and is not mentioned every year on the anniversary of his death. Why?

After my talk on Martha’s Vineyard a man came up to me and said, “I enjoyed your speech and was with you until you started that conspiracy stuff about MLK, Jr.” I said, “That’s not conspiracy. What I told you are facts.” End of conversation.

I think we’re confronted with two conspiracies here: one to commit the crime, the other to ignore it even when the facts are known. ( Two sides of the same coin.) The man who accused me of slipping into the neurotic, aliens-are-among-us land of conspiracy nuts was unable to hear the evidence, perhaps because he was so utterly convinced by our government and media that conspiracies don’t exist, people who espouse them are dangerous fruitcakes, and if you begin to think like that, your whole house of cards wobbles then topples. Who wants that? Better a standing tower of marked cards, than having to admit the game is rigged and the ground is shaking.

America is steeped in conspiracy, and even more steeped in propaganda that discredits those who try to expose the conspiracies. Whether we’re talking about MLK, Jr., JFK, RFK, Iran-Contra, 9/11, or, most importantly, the status quo, anyone who works to uncover the truth is branded a “conspiracy nut” and discredited before any evidence has a fair hearing. The government/corporate/media version is THE VERSION. Anything else is illusory.

In fact, the cultural success of labeling investigative reporters and forensic historians, and, simply, anyone who tries to name reality, “conspiracy nuts” is perhaps the most successful conspiracy of our time. Well, not the most successful. That prize goes to the conspiracy to give corporations all the rights of individual persons under our Constitution. That conspiracy has codified and consolidated corporate power so that it controls our lives in almost every meaningful way. It controls the election funds of our candidates, and them once they are in office. It controls our major media including public broadcasting. It controls the content of our television programming. It controls how are tax dollars are spent making sure that the richest get the most welfare. It controls the laws, the courts, the prison system and the mind numbing propaganda that we are the greatest democracy on earth. It controls the values with which we raise our children. It controls our ability to dispense justice. It controls how we treat nature, how we deface our land with strip malls, and blow the tops off our mountains — a form of corporate free speech. It dictates our modes of transportation. It controls our inability to respond to true crises like climate change. It attempts to create a spiritual deficiency in every person that can be filled and healed only with stuff — and no stuff is ever enough.

As Richard Grossman puts it, “Isn’t it an old story? People create what looks to be a nifty machine, a robot, called the corporation. Over time, the robots get together and overpower the people. … For a century, the robots propagandize and indoctrinate each generation of people so they grow up believing that robots are people too, gifts from God and Mother Nature; that they are inevitable and the source of all that is good. How odd that we have been so gullible, so docile, obedient.”

It is obvious to say that we have been engineered into a culture that values competitive consumption and consumers instead of community cooperation and citizenship. Capitalism with its obsessive and necessary appetite for consumption, expanding markets, resource depletion, and increasing profits has consumed democracy. Have you ever watched a small snake swallow a large frog? The snake’s hinged jaw stretches wider and wider, squeezing the frog millimeter by millimeter into its gullet until finally the snake looks like the Holland Tunnel might if it had devoured the Titanic. Then the acids and enzymes do their corrosive work. The frog becomes the snake. And the snake claims it is the frog. Capitalism has gulped down democracy and claimed it is democracy. When, immediately after 9/11, President Bush advised Americans to demonstrate their love of freedom and their resistance to terrorism by courageously, selflessly, hurrying to the mall to buy something, he was speaking as the snake that identifies itself as a frog. He was asking us to play a little game with our brains’ synapses, replace the snake icon with the frog’s. Sadly, he may also have been speaking about democracy in the only way that he can understand or recognize it. And, for him, Christianity has been another tidy meal for the snake.

Perhaps this switcheroo is nowhere more obvious than in the military /industrial complex. We are told that the vulnerable frog needs protecting. The threats are grave. So we fork over our money and children’s lives for war and weapons. We are told that we are building security and peace. More lives. More weapons. What we aren’t told is that the largest US export to the world is weapons. What we aren’t told is that enormous fortunes are being made from the arms trade. What we aren’t told is that the more precarious and unstable the world is, the better the business for the arms dealers — that the real promotion is not for security and peace but insecurity and war, that the lives of our children are the necessary collateral damage for this monster. What we aren’t told is that the only real security is in cooperation, conservation, and fairness, not imperialism. The frog, who is a snake, wrapped in a flag, pleads for patriotism and counts the cash. The snake’s forked tongue is a barbeque fork on which we’ve all been roasted.

I’d call that conspiracy.

The neocons have claimed, with some accuracy, that they can create reality faster than we can react: the deed is done, now deal with it. The troops have invaded, Halliburton, Blackwater, and Lockheed signed their contracts, the prisoners are tortured, your email is bugged, the resources for social programs are gone, the laws are changed, the Wal-Mart is built, the sludge dump has already polluted the aquifer, truth is hollowed out —- catch me if you can!
How is that not conspiracy?

The cooks & the crooks create a new status quo, legalize it, propagandize it, mythologize it, fundamentalize it, slather it with fear and patriotism, and force feed it to the complacent, sedated cow we call America.
How is that not conspiracy?

Of course, ever since the Constitution was signed and didn’t free the slaves or give the vote to women, poor folks, Native Americans and freed blacks so that people with power and money could continue to profit, America has been a conspiracy against itself. It’s been cowboy grilling his own heart over a smoke & mirrors campfire, a CEO with inherited wealth and three hundred years of patrician, affirmative action crooning “Only in America.”

The reason we can’t talk about conspiracy is because it is the modus operandi. It isn’t the elephant in the room, it is the room itself. We all live there. We can impeach a few elephants, and we should, but the architecture is in place. And they control it.

When I was in school, I was reminded - repeatedly — to avoid using an indefinite pronoun without identifying whom it refers to, as in, “They are coming to get us,” … or, “They control everything.” Who are They? It’s bad practice to think and write like that. Without reference it just sounds like paranoia. But the hell of it is that it’s damned hard to say who the They are that are in conspiracy to destroy democracy and, by exploitation, nature. Did They do it on purpose or merely discover by serendipity, like cavemen seeing copper ooze out of a rock by a fire, the wondrous possibility and power of what they had found. For instance, the invention of the TV was not a conspiracy. But once the realization of how TV could be used to submerge the public in a lobotomizing swamp of advertising, sound bites, inactivity, community destruction, titillation, false history, empty myth, consumption, and complicity in making fortunes for the sponsors, the program was clear. Conspiracy was the silent partner in the euphemism good business practice. And, once they saw the implications of giving corporations First Amendment rights, they were home free.

Time to re-think conspiracy.

We need to embrace conspiracy in two ways. One, admit that it’s real, its quotidian, it’s the fabric of our lives, the mercury in the air, the dioxin in the water, it’s filling the airwaves and the marketplace and the courts and the halls of Congress before we even get out of bed every morning. Two, counter it with a conspiracy of our own. On our side we have the fundamental fact that although the corporate They can alter many of our realities, they can’t alter Reality. They can’t change the behavior of Nature. They can sell off the rain forest, but they can’t leverage the effect of cutting it. They can keep the mileage of cars poor so we’ll buy more gas, but they can’t alter the amount of oil in the ground or the damage to the atmosphere. They can privatize every human interaction and every natural resource, but they can’t privatize the laws of nature. They have conspired to change reality. We must conspire to live in harmony with Reality.

In the same way, they can conspire to kill Martin Luther King, Jr., but they can’t totally eradicate the truth of who did it and why.

Con + spirare, from the Latin. To breathe together. Those are the roots of conspiracy. Breathing together doesn’t sound like an activity of the ideologically deracinated whispering seditiously in a dank cellar or a board room, foul breaths denting a weak flame flickering over a candle nub, gunpowder or greed blackened fingers setting a timer, the whites of creased eyes glinting like knives with treason, murder, power, and deceit.

Con + spirare
sounds like healthy men and women standing in the sun figuring out how in the hell they are going to take care of each other and their aging mother Earth and love life while doing it. Breathing together, sharing the same air, plotting to make sure that what’s mine is yours, conspiring to save their self-respect, their ideals, the future for their children.

I want to be part of a conspiracy. Pervasive, populist, revolutionary, and totally transparent. Grassroots. Idealistic. Simplistic. Life-affirming. Community building

A conspiracy to make the common good and the love of nature the common denominator of every economic transaction.

And the simple truth is either we start breathing together, conspiring big time, right out in the open, nakedly, unashamedly, or we will have conspired in secret, by default, in our own demise.

We have let them breathe for us, and they have stolen our breath, our air, our spirit.

Secret con + spirare is death. Open con + spirare is life.

Conspiracy is dead. Long live conspiracy!

Robert Shetterly lives in Brooksville, Maine
www.americanswhotellthetruth.org

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« Reply #41 on: September 10, 2007, 07:14:28 PM »

Cool article, thanks michael,
My consolation today, was that many Americans are armed. However these weapons are not going to be much use against the "new" wave technologies they are likely to use. Also if the gov. does turn on its own people, will they use DU weapons on their own turf. Perhaps, because we have to acknowledge that these people are blinking bonkers.


One normally thinks of the antichrist as diabolical cunning and evil intelligence...Bushy-clan seem too stupid to fit this role. But then on the other hand perhaps it is just stupidity itself that is evil. Hoo Ha is evil—just blindly follow the leader and do it anyway regardless of consequences, morality or humane-ity.

Rokke said there is 1/2 million US military casualties diseased, dead and dying. Just how many in the military? No wonder they have to go collect losers from other countries also. Bushy-clan knowingly going about this stuff, makes Hitler look like a pussycat. Even the US's baby Israel is going to go down with this stuff—they just wiped out the whole middle east. Soon there won't be any bodies left to buy their war machine, they are wiping the chessboard clean.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyNo7r5wrm0&mode=related&search=
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« Reply #42 on: September 11, 2007, 01:21:12 PM »

I was wondering why my system is in parasympathetic and heart mourning today...then I realized its. 9/11 must be  picking up the collective vibe.

“I have seen a report that police departments across the country are suffering a severe shortage of bullets. Does that mean the police are insidiously being disarmed so they can't participate in a resistance to the bad guys?”

Lord Bertrand Russell, who joined with the Frankfurt School in this effort at mass social engineering, spilled the beans, in his 1951 book, The Impact of Science on Society. Russell concluded with a warning: ``Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated. When the technique has been perfected, every government that has been in charge of education for a generation will be able to control its subjects securely without the need of armies or policemen.'' http://www.schillerinstitute.org/new_viol/cybmindcontrol_js0400..html

“If America will go to war to forward democracy in the world, it must first make democracy safe for the people IN America.” Emma Goldman
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« Reply #43 on: September 12, 2007, 10:16:55 AM »

a rumor going around that the air force will be standing down this fri sept 14th due to the bomber with nukes aboard controversy providing a window for something to happen.  such a short time frame will provide quick evidence to judge how true these rumors are.

also the Amero rumor, which i've heard about in many places.
lots of google info but this extreme right winger supposedly has pictures of an actual minted coin.
http://www.halturnershow.com/AmeroCoinArrives.html

and for a more "mainstream" report:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/6hiPrsc9g98" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/6hiPrsc9g98</a>







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« Reply #44 on: September 12, 2007, 10:51:51 AM »

a rumor going around that the air force will be standing down this fri sept 14th due to the bomber with nukes aboard controversy providing a window for something to happen.  such a short time frame will provide quick evidence to judge how true these rumors are.

Can you say a little more about this Jim?  Any links?
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