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[Michael]

Keep the nipples, very important to keep the nipples!

Okay.  I guess the whole point of the media map is to help people keep abreast, of new developments.

That was a very interesting dream you had Jana.  Thanks for passing that along.

A worthy challenge, - facing Evil without flinching or succumbing to despair.  Something we build up to I think...

Am reading Dawkins' The God Delusion.  Am quite pleasantly surprised.  This is actually the first Dawkins book I've read so far, I'm chagrined to say....he's a lot better read than I would have expected, though as paradigm-bound as expected...but what an encyclopedic grasp on his subjects!  most impressive.  Makes atheism look good...

[Jana]

Yes nipples are a stroke of genius...help to keep mind focused on subject at hand...or mouth.
Yes I almost like Dawkins as much as Sheldrake, I think he is a sweetie, tho Ken thinks badly of him. I have seen most of the web videos of his, simply for the cool logic he uses, his accent and he is quiet funny. Now Paul Hawkens has a fab antifear message.

Inspiration...
“Wall upon wall surrounds your prison cell so that it seems almost impossible that you will ever break out and make contact with the richness of life and love and freedom that lies beyond your prison fortress. And yet the task far from being impossible, is actually easy and delightful. What can you do to break out?
Four things: First, realize that you are surrounded by prison walls, that your mind has gone to sleep. It does not even occur to most people to see this, so they live and die as prison inmates. Most people end up being conformists; they adapt to prison life. A few become reformers; they fight for better living conditions in the prison, better lighting, better ventilation. Hardly anyone becomes a rebel a revolutionary who breaks down the prison walls. You can only be a revolutionary when you see the prison walls in the first place.” Way to Love, Anthony De Mello

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzMPUKAXM7U —Paul Hawkens, Blessed Unrest— Bioneers
www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiJNeln-1zs&mode=related&search=  —Paul Hawkens. “We are moving from a world created by the privileged for the privileged, to a world created by community.”

http://www.livevideo.com/video/CTCC/265D3117537743609B680E12EE4F1D7D/did-you-know-2-0-shift-happe.aspx

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PWXrnsSrf0  —Ray Kurzwel. Knowledge and technology accelerating exponentially. With acceleration doubling every decade. Evolution creates a capability and then uses that capability to advance the next state, that is why the pace of change accelerates…from one paradigm shift to another. Nano manufactured solar panels collecting 1% of solar energy could take cure of 100% of our energy needs.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEf7kQQZQSk —Barbara Marx Hubbard
www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbCqfG1n-0c&mode=related&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0X_HDSQXMI0  —Starlab
http://meaningoflife.tv/ —David White

[jimtzu]

Jana i like your four keys to approaching/broaching the shadows within us.  it made me think of this girl (she's actually 24, but is just now maturing because of events in her life) who is starting to come to grips with the sexual abuse experienced when she was a child.  afraid of what's ahead and the thought of leaving her cocoon even tho it contains the indentity and feelings thrust upon her when she was way to young to process it all. she's at the tipping point waiting to emerge as a more whole person. realizing that she must forgive the people involved, not for their sake, but for her own, to be able to let it go and embrace the shadows. while you weren't thinking along these lines, your points can be applied to any part of the darkness within.

[Nickeson]

A worthy challenge, - facing Evil without flinching or succumbing to despair.  Something we build up to I think...

"The brave one fears their opponent, the cowardly one fears their fear."--Francisco de Quevedo

Hmmmm...Quevedo, a man whom none of us would hold in very high regard, seems to be getting around quite a bit in the forum lately.

[Jana]

"she's at the tipping point waiting to emerge as a more whole person. realizing that she must forgive the people involved, not for their sake, but for her own, to be able to let it go and embrace the shadows. while you weren't thinking along these lines, your points can be applied to any part of the darkness within."


"Evolution creates a capability and then uses that capability to advance to the next stage and that is why the pace of change accelerates." Ray Kurzwel

If evolution is an exponential progression of knowledge and wisdom, we could associate this with "maturity." The immature state gets a adrenal-stress charge from pitting itself against an antihero higher up in the pecking order. This is innate in the animal wiring—however unless we see inside of ourselves and can clearly distinguish this conspiratorial-indignant-righteous addict, otherwise known as the "Victim"...we cannot mature. The victim state is not the empowered sovereign comically connected state of the mature individual. Through his primitive trauma wiring a victim remains a prisoner of the past and both his physical wiring and mental programs prevent a full response to the present reality and allow evolution to occur. We exibit this resistance to evolution (Spirit) as individuals and as a collective.
Since in evil, there is no sanity, goodness and righteous logic (justice), the Victim runs his hurt blame programs eternally hoping for a more favorable outcome or reparations. However this simply reinforces the disempowerment over and over again, keeping the immature state alive and preventing maturity. This is why cosmic consciousness is the transcendence of the notions of good and evil—because you need to come from the Horus-birdseye viewpoint in order to stop the lower past auto-programming. That is to dissolve the past within us, we need to first stop the victim state, and then use wiring that transcends the old mammalian justice wiring—to come from a Cosmic Conscious point of view which is beyond notions of good and evil, hurt and blame.
The slate must be wiped clean, our atoms must come to an equilibrium with Zeropoint...in order for the contemporary in-formation from Spirit to be fully received and manifested. To keep up with the exponential growth of evolution— we must individually and collectively drop our victim-immature state and mature to a level of cosmic-genius and gnostic power—and in this way prevent the march of fascism. In this way we collectively stop using our more primitive wiring to defend ourselves against and to manipulate and control—thus we build a more Mature sociological environment, and essentially make way for the exponential growth that will form a new species out of the old.

The Vortex meditation, Galaxy meditation, and all the Inner Arts and Kundalini Skills will help us to peel away the past, and make way for the new


In the dream the baby keyed into the old mammalian brain wiring, but as soon as the Horus head emerged, the old mammalian brain wiring was turned off, I went from gratitude that the baby was alive, to a shocked deflation over holding a non-human entity (God).

[Michael]

 Now Paul Hawkens has a fab antifear message.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzMPUKAXM7U —Paul Hawkens, Blessed Unrest— Bioneers

Thanks so much for this video Jana!  -Just the most inspirational message I've seen in a long long time.   

Here it is:

[Michael]

The next one on your video list is SO P2P:

[henry]

thanks mD/jana. the venerable mother lode of so much of this are the whole earth catalogs and its offshoot magazine co-evolution quarterly/ whole earth review. its contributors read like the fillmore west of conciousness, land use, ecology, appropriate technology,personal computing etc. etc., paul hawken among them....henry

[henry]

another offshoot was the WELL, a 1985 pioneering community internet forum....henry

[Nickeson]

another offshoot was the WELL, a 1985 pioneering community internet forum

Henry,
On reading the above I suddenly had a flashback to Vandy, early Spring, 1971 when Vandy had its annual week where the student governing body brought in speakers and performances etc. related to the cutting socio-political edge. There was a name for it which I have forgotten. Scene: the big auditorium. Speaker: the recently late Robert Theobald, Futurist. He predicted that night, unlike any other futurist at the time, that one of the major changes in this culture would come out of a growing number of people putting together telephone linked networks of miniature computers that they would have sitting on their desks in their homes and offices. This was before the PC was much more than a gleam in the IBM eye.  I had recently edited a magazine symposium on the future of progressive politics (featuring articles by Todd Gitlin and Arthur Waskow and myself) which Theobald included in a anthology for use as college level futurist text book, so I was in touch with him for a period following that event. He was putting together such a network at that time with himself and a handful of bright youngsters who were building computers out of Tandy/Radio Shack components. I stayed abreast of him and this work for several years but gradually fell away, never having been much of a techie, so I don't know if much of what he was doing then made it into the internet as we know it now. Who knows maybe he had an influence on Gates and Job.  (A friend and partner in various journalistic crimes, Frye Gaillard, had been, the previous year, organizer of the above event and had brought in Eldridge Cleaver as the main speaker...evidently quite a stir about that one. Gaillard was later prominant in the expose of Jim and Tammy Faye Baker.)
S.

[henry]

of the whole earth croud, stewart brand, howard rheingold and kevin kelly among several others merit a google. from counterculture to cyberspace. i wish i had paid closer attention, but my eyes were glazed over from the magazine's previous space colony hysteria... a couple of people from "the farm" were instrumental in starting up "the well". remember stephen gaskin's buses(caravan) rolling through nashville in '70 or '71 steven?.. an original lifetime "maniacal subscriber" to co-evolution quarterly was marlon brando of los angeles california ...henry

[Nickeson]

Now Paul Hawkens has a fab antifear message.

 —Paul Hawkens. “We are moving from a world created by the privileged for the privileged, to a world created by community.”

Paul Hawken (no ‘s’ on the end) certainly has an impressive resume, one that, on moderately close examination, suggests that he is a man born of privilege.  There is nothing wrong with that, however it shows that he has never had reason to doubt whatever it was that led him to say that the world to date was created by the privileged, for the privileged. If he had said that to a convention of non-hack historians instead of a group of probably slightly less than privileged environmentalists (in U.S. terms at least) he would have been ridden off the stage on a rail because it is just not true. But it is the conventional wisdom and thus it is effective propaganda. It sets up a straw man (or straw class in this instance) in a very interesting, nonviolent sort of way. But it does not do anything to counter the way the myth has promoted and continues to reinforce a victim mentality. It continues to further American's AADD  credulity toward hack journalism and hack history and so it is perfectly geared to fit into U-Tube's brainlessly superficial formats. (French anarchist and theologian, Jacques Ellul, called this “agitation propaganda,” that which seeks to get people worked up enough to do something. He also had a category “integrating propaganda,” that which seeks to get people feeling warm and fuzzy and nestled into their culture, their status, or whatever. Ellul wrote his pessimistic critique of techno-media propaganda the same year McLuhan wrote Understanding Media and I wonder if Baudrillard didn't rely on Ellu's assessment of media and propaganda 30 years later in describing his version of "Integral Man.")

This does not discredit Hawken’s main point about all those people doing all those things, but the context of the point starts to look manipulative. He’s putting his audience into the Big Time League of New Movers and Shakers (sort of like KW painting all his people that attractive turquoise they so like to see when looking in the meditational mirror). It is a good technique and can probably get the male vertebrate in question some, at least, of what he wants.

S.

P.S. henry, yes, I was there, I was there. I was there the night Gaskin told the overflow crowd in an auditorium at Peabody that it was "macrobiotic" for a mountain lion to eat meat, so we should all cut them some slack. I thought that was really big of the man.

[Jana]

Heck i was going out of my way to find some "good" news and you poop on my parade, looks like I will have to try harder. Yea saying that the world was created by the priviledged is like saying that females were the victims of the patriarchy instead of 50% of the cause.

Ok, I did some homework and AC is not so lost. In fact he is damn clear.
The urgency thing is "creative urgency" like sexual urgency...hence this evolutionary enlightenment shtick is not for slackers.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0HwqGUkxbA&mode=related&search=  —Being and Becoming, Andrew Cohen…now the postmodern enlightenment is the conscious creation of the future.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abbWHLagQao  Andrew Cohen, Israel
www.youtube.com/watch?v=bY_zwVQQjXo&mode=related&search=  —The evolutionary impulse is unreasonable.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3aatdEjFBw&NR=1  —Moral Development

www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnETVXKkvNU&mode=related&search= —Creative Friction

[Nickeson]

I watched the longest of the Cohen vids. It is the most coherent presentation by him I have seen yet. I think he is moving in the direction of saying that god is indistinguishable from the Universe, or the Universe is indistinguishable from god; and this is a universe that includes the non-manifest ground of being. This sounds as if Cohen is embracing the Unitarian's doctrine—that is if Unitarian Doctrine isn't a oxymoron. The vid reminded me of an article I read recently (sorry, lost the address) where someone was commenting a little on a KW passage where he wrote that Spirit was to the Universe what wetness is to water.(I immediately thought the question: if water was sensate would it know that it was wet?)

Next I wondered if the Wilber-Cohen Junta wasn't putting together a Nature Religion for the 21st Century?

In the last analysis it gets down to the basics of what you think, how you feel, about god or spirit is what you think and feel about the Universe and vice-versa. If one believes in a beneficent god, then one must believe in a beneficent universe. But if one does not believe in god then does it stand to reason that one does not believe in the Universe? Or would they say, “unevolved you, you just can’t see the god for the universe.” (Or they could say to one who was for transcendence uber alles, “Too evolved you, you just can’t see the universe for the god.)

Have I got any of this right or does it sound as if W-C just converted to liberal protestantism?

[Jana]

I am just glad that a "teacher" has broken from that stuffy vedantan trap of navel gazing at Nothing. The "Being and Becoming", is I thought a masterpiece of video history. I had been beating up on AC thinking he was doing the petty tyrant male guru thing, while vestiges of this might remain in the context of his own community, it is apparent that his philosophy has risen beyond the self-referential limitation of patriarchial hierarchy.

From the clips I got that the Wilber-Cohen "God" has moved beyond a theosophical concept, to a more "lived experience of the living spirit itself." As such you cannot really call it Nature worship, so much as getting back to the essence of Gnostic Workship...which is the deep sense of unity with the Universe that is shot through all the ancient traditions from Sumer (Iraq) and Egypt onwards...always falling down into a material bureaucracy. Due to the ego's preditorial power lust to gain dominance over Spirit itself. If this time we can really get "who is boss" and who is the servant, perhaps the Wilber-Cohen God will have a more significant impact on human evolution.