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« Reply #120 on: September 29, 2009, 06:10:01 PM »

Yep, 3 awakening books and one for the teaming heaps of blubber people. Then one on cycles and alchemical permaculture.

 I could be on this earth 50 million years living hand to mouth and spewing out books and nothing would ever change. Only the powerful imprint generated by enormous capital will change anything in any lasting way...Jesus had it wrong over the lillies in the field. At least I am more pragmatic...to hell with idealism...all it gets you is trodden on and reviled. The world is in frenzied feasting mode...and so you/I have to present a feast to the masses.


… hehehe, well, that seems like a pretty idealistic rant to me…

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The world is in frenzied feasting mode...and so you/I have to present a feast to the masses.

… If you plan on presenting a feast to the masses, you’re gonna have to expand on that macrobiotic diet, and include a little flesh for these carnivores… And while you’re feeding the frenzied blubber people free range soy burgers (or is that range free?), yours truly will be whispering –or shouting, depending upon my protein intake- on poetic metaphors to newly awakening cellular meme/memories…

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Books...what a waste of time...really they are for my friends who already think like I do...international calling cards to gather my people for the next phases. I plan to make an Ark that will be cast forth into infinity.   

… Ark, the herald angels sing –glory to the Jana Queen…

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  I have to embark on this futile escapade of book writing so that I can stop writing books and throw my computer into the sea at the equator.

… In a previous life –a long time ago for the literalist- I was attending a channeling session where a would-be entity was sharing his/her wisdom of the ages. When the opportunity arose for me to ask a question, I proceeded to ask the one question that seemed to be pressing on me the most; “I’m a little confused,” I began. “It seems a little puzzling that metaphysics seems to be saying on the one hand ‘to let go of everything, to hold on to nothing, to simply surrender to the universe, as it were –and yet at the same time also says to be one pointed with your focus, to visualize your desires, to remain ever vigilant in one tireless quest for truth…” I was more than a little perplexed, and asked this question quite earnestly. “Is it one, or the other?” I asked. “Or is it both?”

“The purpose of metaphysics,” this entity went on to declare, “was to get you so fed up with metaphysics that you will eventually throw your hands up in disgust and say “fuck it, to metaphysics!”

… I let out the biggest belly laugh when I heard this –along with the rest of the room- and it almost felt as though years of anxiety began to melt away as I instantly considered the possibility of such a statement. As I laughed and laughed –and others around me laughed as well- I could just hear another gal who was also present, trying to express her own incredulity, as she too contemplated the ramifications; “Is that right,” she stammered. “Is that true,” she went on, almost in disbelief. “Is that really the whole point of metaphysics?” between my own fits of hysteria, I tried to share my own assessment of this new metaphysical revelation; “It must be true,” I shared. “It makes sense,” I continued, still laughing and giggling. “At least it makes sense to me anyway…”

… So, go ahead, embark on this futile escapade of book writing so that you can stop writing books and throw your computer into the sea at the equator… Say ‘fuck it’ to book writing, say fuck it to all that plagues you, say fuck it to your soon to be equatorial computer, and open up a space for some real experiential experience… It must be true… It makes sense… At least it makes sense to me… fuck it…

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  You see, far greater men and women than me have expressed their beauty...and little has changed in the gross bowel movements of the human endeavor.
That is why it is so easy to weep over the life of a Jacob Boehme and the countless geniuses like him that have bled themselves into a stone dumb world.
 

… You’re right… fuck it…

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I know eventually the baseline sensitivity to genius will eventually rise, but this will take hundreds or thousands of years... 

… Fuck it all…

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and the barbarian hoards are continuing to degenerate into insentience... 

… and fuck the horses they rode in on too!… fuck it!!!!!!…

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and so many cannot even partake in the "human" experience. 

… Fuck it… fuck it… fuck it…

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I watched Lawnmower Man for the first time last night...it says it all. Totally awesome.
 

… Fuck that too!...

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• Stockholm Syndrome—misplaced loyalty to an abusive patriarchal figure (“protector”) due to abusive fear damage to the self-making centers of the brain which otherwise would produce an objective distain or distancing from the abuser. Stockholm syndrome is a psychological response sometimes seen in abducted hostages, in which the hostage shows signs of loyalty to the hostage-taker. Entire countries can be spiritually abducted and held hostage in this way through infantile dependency generated by stun damage to the reptilian brain…such is evident in the USA after 911, where the true perpetrators were not brought to justice, as would be expected in a sane rational world. 

… Fuck it all!!!

… Fuck…

… it...

… alllllllllllllll…


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« Reply #121 on: September 29, 2009, 10:54:18 PM »

 blush Geeez
Yes I think you have hit on the answer to the universe...Fuck it! take a bow
Very therapeutic.

I will tell ya tho, real life experience SUCKS in comparison to book writing...I only experience life enough to gather shit to point out what is wrong with the world in my writing. If this works as a spiritual path, by the time I am finished...the world will look peachy...and my time on earth would have ran out.

Also I don't like the new age no-judgment thing...that is like saying don't see/hear/smell/feel/taste/interpret/think/associate/rationalize/predict/intuit.

Rather the tenet should go like this: Judge freely to your hearts content while keeping in mind that your opinion means shit and you are just a worthless speck of dust on the ass of God. That is judgment is just dandy as long as you keep it in perspective and context. Kiss
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« Reply #122 on: September 30, 2009, 06:04:02 AM »

Conclusions and judgments aren’t necessary. Besides they’re always only true but partial and they’re always also temporal (i.e. they expire). They close doors that should be left open. Worse, they close minds that should be left open. You don’t need judgments or conclusions in order to act. You only need core values and goals to be effective. Goals give you your drive and agenda. Core values give you your means and methods. Keep in mind also that judgments and conclusions only really bind the person making them; no one else is directly affected by them.  That’s right conclusions are binding, restricting. That’s not freedom. That’s not sovereignty.

Let’s say you’re on a jury and someone is accused of murder. You hear all the evidence presented and retire to the jury room. You don’t need to make any judgments or conclusions; you just have to make a decision on how to vote. People want their decisions to be based on sound judgments and conclusions. So they search desperately for judgments and conclusions before they make decisions. Two problems arise here; either they make rash conclusions is a rush to judgment or they take too long in deciding and lose out on an opportunity.

If something seems like it might further your goals, offers few risks and is consistent with your core values, then you don’t need to have any conclusions or judgments to help you weigh a decision. People take comfort in their conclusions and judgments, but it’s a false comfort and, too often, it’s unnecessarily debilitating to a person’s potential.
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« Reply #123 on: September 30, 2009, 07:55:18 AM »

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...metaphysics seems to be saying on the one hand ‘to let go of everything, to hold on to nothing, to simply surrender to the universe, as it were –and yet at the same time also says to be one pointed with your focus, to visualize your desires, to remain ever vigilant in one tireless quest for truth…” I was more than a little perplexed, and asked this question quite earnestly. “Is it one, or the other?” I asked. “Or is it both?”

“The purpose of metaphysics,” this entity went on to declare, “was to get you so fed up with metaphysics that you will eventually throw your hands up in disgust and say “fuck it, to metaphysics!”

… I let out the biggest belly laugh when I heard this –along with the rest of the room- and it almost felt as though years of anxiety began to melt away as I instantly considered the possibility of such a statement. As I laughed and laughed –and others around me laughed as well- I could just hear another gal who was also present, trying to express her own incredulity, as she too contemplated the ramifications; “Is that right,” she stammered. “Is that true,” she went on, almost in disbelief. “Is that really the whole point of metaphysics?” between my own fits of hysteria, I tried to share my own assessment of this new metaphysical revelation; “It must be true,” I shared. “It makes sense,” I continued, still laughing and giggling. “At least it makes sense to me anyway…”

… So, go ahead, embark on this futile escapade of book writing so that you can stop writing books and throw your computer into the sea at the equator… Say ‘fuck it’ to book writing, say fuck it to all that plagues you, say fuck it to your soon to be equatorial computer, and open up a space for some real experiential experience… It must be true… It makes sense… At least it makes sense to me… fuck it…

Saying fuck it to anything is a metaphysical position. So you cannot escape metaphysics by this method. But it is possible to abandon metaphysics. In tarot this is called “The Fool” and ironically, it is considered a divine state. So even the lack of metaphysical considerations has metaphysical implications. It’s like the old saying: “Not to decide, is to decide.” In other words, you can push metaphysics into the unconscious by ignoring it but it still affects your experiences.
Taking the world at face value implies that no metaphysical considerations are involved. This is fine for observational modes but it does not help a person decide how to act. On the other hand, too much focus on metaphysics can be just as bad or even worse because we don’t go back to observational mode and have no way to gauge the effects of the considered actions or automatic reactions. An automatic reaction is an action with no metaphysical considerations as part of the process; a response on the other hand in a considered action that has at least some metaphysical considerations influencing the action. To abandon metaphysics is to surrender one’s will to the blind forces of nature, which can be fun sometimes. But getting drunk on metaphysics is to turn one’s back on one’s own experiences in favor of the blind dictates of an unrealizable ideal. So as usual a delicate balance it prudent here.
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« Reply #124 on: September 30, 2009, 07:58:52 AM »

erm, goals and values ARE judgments....the weighing of alternatives.

"I am hard pressed to deny that indeed judgement is upon us, one
rendered severely and decisively; indeed, a terrifying judgement is ever closer
to exploding upon us all." Anonymous

• Judgment Armageddon Phobia—Children brought up under authoritarian rule who are not given license to a will or spirit of their own, but remain as extensions of their parents ego…forever subliminally anticipate judgement, punishment and injustice lorded upon them out of a need for some sense of control and heightened reality. That is, if we have not fully claimed our “center” we forever desire to be led, fed, told what to do, controlled and abused…representing an unconscious lust for prepubescent victimhood.

I have barely gotten into Compassion and Self Hate: An Alternative to Despair by Theodore I. Rubin and my mind is starting to unravel. I was lying in the sun yesterday and the words “Bad Teenager” popped into my head. I realized immediately that it was my shadow parents that I have incorporated into my psyche…parental fear of a childs budding sexuality…father’s lust and mother’s jealousy plus fear of sexual misuse such as pregnancy etc… Not that I ever was a bad teenager, but the shadow parents within have been instrumental in keeping me single and celibate most of my life.

What arose from that little psychic slip was: “Self-hatred suspends growth and maturity at the age level that the punitive eye of awareness was initially turned most fiercely against the self.”

• Self-Abusive Superego—The shadow parents within may be willing us to endure the closure of culture into a fascist regime and the rape, pillage and plunder of humanity and the planet by Big-Farming, Big-Pharma, Big-Oil, Big-GMO, and Big-Chemo. But this will never happen if we can dig deep within our dark shadowed nature to root out all that is standing in the way of our eternally sovereign soul. We will be ruled by shadow government to the degree that we are ruled by shadow parents within that infuse our experience with a deeply embedded sense of self-hate, guilt, shame and fear of punishment. We do not even need to have tyrannical parents to have within us a censor that is righteousness, dictatorial, self-diminishing, self doubting, critical and cruel.

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« Reply #125 on: September 30, 2009, 09:16:52 AM »

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goals and values ARE judgments....

I'm having a hard time refuting this. I guess you're right. What was I thinking? Something like: Goals and values can be reconfigured based on new thoughts and feelings. Judgments and conclusions are permanent and they tend to have the effect of hardening a set of goals and values into rigid dogma. They are not affected by thoughts and feelings but answer only to ‘evidence’ But evidence is filtered by the presence of rigid dogma. So there’s a vicious spiral effect that can become operative and too often does.

"What you believe [i.e. judge] to be true either is true or becomes true within the limits of experimentation." ~ Lilly
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« Reply #126 on: September 30, 2009, 09:36:43 AM »

All we need to remember is the insubstantial and supercilious nature of ego/superego and that it is our worst enemy.

• Depersonalization and Blockage of Flow—It is "punitive" judgment that is the damaging agent for it stops the flow of Eros and the unity between inner and outer. Predatory authoritarian systems create depersonalization and dissociation, and can lead to a loss of sovereignty unless the status-anaesthetization chemistry is fought against and the soul establish despite invasive forces. Life is a sovereign flow from Source. So whenever we are stagnant, stuck or regressing as individuals or cultures, there is some aspect of sovereignty we have failed to address. Eros and Muse that is not allowed to flow freely turns to cancer, self-hatred, anxiety, depression, addiction and the collapse of body, mind, soul and community.
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« Reply #127 on: September 30, 2009, 10:12:49 PM »

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Yes I think you have hit on the answer to the universe...Fuck it! take a bow
Very therapeutic.


… I’ll get started on the t-shirts right away…  beer

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I will tell ya tho, real life experience SUCKS in comparison to book writing

… well, from my own personal experience, I think I know what you mean –although a therapist might draw other conclusions…  bla bla

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I only experience life enough to gather shit to point out what is wrong with the world in my writing. 

… our therapist might suggest gathering ‘gems’ to point out what is ‘right’ with the world in your writing… but Hey, I’ve done the same thing, so I can’t criticize… Embarrassed

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If this works as a spiritual path, by the time I am finished...the world will look peachy...and my time on earth would have ran out.

… Ummm, if you spend all your time gathering ‘shit’ to point out what is wrong with the world… where do you get peach cobbler out of that?... Hey, just sayin’… boxing

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  Also I don't like the new age no-judgment thing...that is like saying don't see/hear/smell/feel/taste/interpret/think/associate/rationalize/predict/intuit.

… Moral relativism… I couldn’t agree more… although this does not necessarily award one carte blanc to gleefully judge everything with reckless abandon… a little discernment –no, a lot of discernment- is always in order…  wave

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  Rather the tenet should go.. like this: Judge freely to your hearts content while keeping in mind that your opinion means shit and you are just a worthless speck of dust on the ass of God.

… and a great sense of humor is nice too… laugh

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That is judgment is just dandy as long as you keep it in perspective and context.

… I couldn’t have said it better myself… bow
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« Reply #128 on: September 30, 2009, 10:28:13 PM »

Conclusions and judgments aren’t necessary. 


“… it depends on what the meaning of ‘is’ is…”

... That was from Bill Clinton’s impeachment testimony… Bill ‘concluded’ an impromptu blow job would be just the thing to wind down a hard day at the office… He ‘judged’ poorly with regards to the ramifications of such joyful spontaneity…

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Besides they’re always only true but partial and they’re always also temporal (i.e. they expire) 


… hehehe…

… indeed…
 
… sometimes this stuff just writes itself…


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  They close doors that should be left open. 


… I’m thinking Aides and Interns…

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  Worse, they close minds that should be left open. 

… Okay, my minds in the gutter…

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You don’t need judgments or conclusions in order to act.

… got that Bill?...

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  You only need core values and goals to be effective. Goals give you your drive and agenda.

… alright, I’ll stop now… this is getting’ too easy… or should I say sleazy…

… Now then, on a more metaphysical note…


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Saying fuck it to anything is a metaphysical position. 

… considering my spiritual proclivities… I’m partial to the ‘missionary’ position myself…
... Actually, not only is saying fuck it a metaphysical position, life itself, is a metaphysical position. And any attempt to deconstruct the folly of metaphysical positions, are also metaphysical positions –yours and mine…

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So you cannot escape metaphysics by this method. 

… one cannot escape life by any method…

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  But it is possible to abandon metaphysics 

… now you’re talking…

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In tarot this is called “The Fool” and ironically, it is considered a divine state

… not so ironic if one considers life itself to be a divine state… and I envision the fool as not necessarily the ‘fool’ as in ‘idiot, or unintelligent’ –but maybe the ‘fool’ as in ‘fool the psyche’ to say ‘fuck it’ to metaphysics, or to seemingly fool the psyche into abandoning the wheel of metaphysics altogether, for a more promising reward as a result…

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So even the lack of metaphysical considerations has metaphysical implications.

… indeed it does…

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  It’s like the old saying: “Not to decide, is to decide.” In other words, you can push metaphysics into the unconscious by ignoring it but it still affects your experiences.

… The ‘fuck it’ exercise –or example- is a practical exercise in consciously creating in physical reality (okay, semi-consciously). It seems to be a more primitive method in creating, but it does show results none the less. As long as you can fool that part of your consciousness -that never loses hope- into temporarily losing hope, so that you can open up a metaphysical ‘space’ for new information or new experience to come into your consciousness, you might find extraordinary success to life itself, if you can say ‘fuck it’ to life itself, with great conviction and total abandonment… It has the affect –to a degree- of that of the Buddhist koan. Instead of tripping the mind up with two seemingly imponderable questions, until suddenly –after deep contemplation- a new portal opens up for new information, or new experience to come through, in this case, there is a slight twist. If one pursues something with great interest and intent for a long period of time, and yet finds themselves no closer to the desired goal than on day one, frustration is a natural result. One could pray, and visualize, and imagine, and hope and curse, and toil for years on end, and still not find themselves any closer to the impossible dream. And yet in some cosmically neurotic manner -after trial upon trial- only when all hope is lost, and the psyche just finally gives up the ghost and declares in total surrender; “oh fuck it, I don’t give a shit about this damn desire any longer,” then, and seemingly only then, does this deep desire finally manifest… in my opinion, that’s the ‘fuck it’ exercise in a nutshell…

… I’ll grant you, it seems like ‘a hell of a way to run a railroad’ –but it does seem to work none the less… that’s why I encouraged Jana along, albeit with a little more humor than usual. Just in case she was in that deep ‘fuck it’ mode, I thought I had better give her a hand over the hump –as it were –you never know… Although my humor was probably more of a hindrance than a help, since the psyche has to believe that it is truly in helpless mode –which is difficult to do while someone is constantly tickling you funnybone… hehehe, sorry… my bad… Personally, I think we can come up with less neurotic forms of creation, but that’s probably going to take a lot more collaboration than we have here-to-fore been willing to share… I hope for the sake of our own planetary neurosis we can learn to come together a little more collaboratively, but, Hey… if we don’t… fuck it…
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« Reply #129 on: September 30, 2009, 11:00:32 PM »

It is impossible to express my process, it is on so many different levels.
But it is only because I am so freeking good at working out shit and making compost that people feel grateful for the peach pie results...the whole path is peachy really...there is enormous endogenous heroin rewards from following the Muse. It is not like I even need approval or confirmation because the work is autopoetic and I cannot not do it. I mean what nerve...how the entire human race and our hominid ancestors and cousins have been screwing up for millions of years...AND especially in the last 10,000 years...sounds too big of a story to be credible doesn't it. But I have laid it out...and the evidence is all around. Haha...just as well I don't have to answer to anyone! cigar

Nope I am well well beyond Fuck It!
I am not interested in expending any energy in shock, horror and disgust.

I am more into a nondual Don't Give a Fuck! literally and metaphorically.

Any thinking individual would wonder why bother.
It is very difficult to take anything seriously, and even to generate interest.
And it is not depression or existentional angst either.
Anyway, it is enormously peaceful...with balls readily available to bash anyone over the head with should the need be...nice mix of DHEA and Melatonin. Cool
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« Reply #130 on: October 01, 2009, 08:48:06 AM »

After your emotional divestment in life, your ‘give-a-damn’ is busted you cannot care anymore. Be advised, you'll never get that passion back, all that's left is a hollow husk of your former potential for emotional investment. That's why they call it 'enlightenment' - because people lighten up and feel lighter, like a weight has been lifted off. Caring is hard work, whereas satori is a walk in the park.

"My whole saturday and sunday too
I was thinking about ways not to lose
I lay down my weapons is what I've done
Too late to hide, feet too soft to run
But people say I'm the luckiest man
Yeah they say

Running is useless and fighting is foolish
You're not gonna win but still you're the luckiest man
you're up against
And too many horses and mysterious forces
What you don't know is you are the luckiest man
You're the luckiest man

I done talked to the devil when he calls my name
But sometimes when I'm losing it all seems the same
And when I fall I'm back up again
Just to slip on the same mistakes and slide right back in
But people say I'm the luckiest man ~ Wood Brothers


“There is no effort here. The stake has been thrown down and it is lost. That is all.” ~ Crowley

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« Reply #131 on: October 01, 2009, 09:05:33 AM »

One has to be completely cleansed and divested of other peoples opinions in order to get anything done. All I know is that I am immune, anaesethetized by bliss but not exactly numb...I think the editing rage is upon me rant...and I am going to "create" despite the overarching hatred of the crowd...there are those who like and understand...I work for them and for those yet unborn.
I am out of this thread now, its supposed to be about the IA forum. BananaDance
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« Reply #132 on: October 01, 2009, 08:58:25 PM »

It is impossible to express my process, it is on so many different levels.
But it is only because I am so freeking good at working out shit and making compost that people feel grateful for the peach pie results...


… and because you are so freeking good at what you do, I would bet that it is not so much a matter of it being ‘impossible to express your process,’ as much it is a matter that you just don’t really want to bother, possibly because you may not see any purpose in doing so… Understandable…

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the whole path is peachy really...there is enormous endogenous heroin rewards from following the Muse. 

… Neil Young once sang a song declaring himself to be ‘a miner for a heart of gold.’ I always thought that he was much more a ‘miner for the heart that’s Muse,’ or to put it more succinctly –a Muse Miner… I know I’m a Muse Miner, and as a Muse Miner myself, I am always searching for fellow miners, and am endlessly fascinated with their own heartfelt confessions, revelations, and creative expressions… From writing, to sculpting, to envisioning, and to all manners of creativity –if it is/was really, really good, or extremely powerful- the Muse was the real author. I am often merely the stenographer… And a grateful stenographer at that… I know in reality that the Muse and I -like the Father and I- are one. But I have not experienced that realization nearly often enough to declare it so with unwavering conviction… Although I waffle with my perceptions about being one with the Muse, I do not waffle with my conviction that the Muse is the gateway to creativity… when creativity is flowing freely, and genius seems to appear as if by magic, I have no illusions as to the source of that genius… Maybe I should take more credit, and claim my Muse as myself… Maybe tomorrow… As for today, I have to give credit where credit is due… and that credit goes to the Muse… not me, the stenographer…

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  It is not like I even need approval or confirmation because the work is autopoetic and I cannot not do it. 

… I like that term… ‘autopoetic’… I didn’t find it in my little dictionary but, no surprise there, right?...

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I mean what nerve...how the entire human race and our hominid ancestors and cousins have been screwing up for millions of years...AND especially in the last 10,000 years...sounds too big of a story to be credible doesn't it. 

… I know exactly what you mean… Pretty arrogant of us right? Who are we to correct civilization? Sometimes I even wonder who the hell do I think I am, but then the choices ultimately seem so damn narrow, there really is no other choice at all…

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But I have laid it out...and the evidence is all around.

… and the evidence is so profoundly glaring –it doesn’t even require the Muse to ascertain… Although the Muse will be more than helpful with creative interpretations, me thinks…

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Haha...just as well I don't have to answer to anyone!   

… Whose to answer to, when few are even asking the questions? Never mind the answers…

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  Nope I am well well beyond Fuck It!
I am not interested in expending any energy in shock, horror and disgust.I am more into a nondual Don't Give a Fuck! literally and metaphorically.
 

… Yes, I have a certain lock on the non-dual perspective myself. However, there is a bit of that non-judgment thing going on with non-duality as well. Although it seems to be more of a certain ‘recognition’ –and less judgment- then letting go. See a seeming error, recognize your own reaction to said error (judgment), and then let it go –release it. Do not hold tightly to anything. Let everything be experienced, and then quickly clear your plate for the next experience… Yeah, there’s some autopoetic beauty to non-duality…

… But for those ‘non-non-dualists’ out there –which is 99.99% of the planet –You better damn well ‘judge’ your reality, because there is some very fucked up non-non-duality going on, and it will kick your non-non-dual ass if you don’t start getting’ some non-dual, damn religion (metaphorically speaking, of course)…  boxing bow

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Any thinking individual would wonder why bother.
It is very difficult to take anything seriously, and even to generate interest.
And it is not depression or existentional angst either.
Anyway, it is enormously peaceful...with balls readily available to bash anyone over the head with should the need be...nice mix of DHEA and Melatonin
 

… not to mention an aMUSing mix of non-duality… and something else…

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One has to be completely cleansed and divested of other peoples opinions in order to get anything done. All I know is that I am immune, anaesethetized by bliss but not exactly numb... 

… Well, I’ve certainly stopped the flow on more occasions then I would care to remember, simply because I found myself caught up in overturning peoples worldviews, and what their opinions would be as a result… Now day’s I’ve come to accept the inevitability of what is required…

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I think the editing rage is upon me  ...and I am going to "create" despite the overarching hatred of the crowd...there are those who like and understand...I work for them and for those yet unborn.
I am out of this thread now, its supposed to be about the IA forum.
 

… Well, nothing lasts forever… Thanks for answering a lot of my questions. I’ve always been curious about the great Muse Miner, Jana. Now I know so much more… thanks again…  Kiss
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« Reply #133 on: October 01, 2009, 09:29:34 PM »

I just want us to be further along. I miss the true community where there is such a body of growth between people that you don't have to cover the basics. I seem to never get past the basics with people.
I don't have the energy to answer the STUPID questions like do you believe in God, or are you enlightened or trying to explain how I am different than the new age. It is an instant judgment/categorization/dismissal mentality that abounds now...connection not being important unless there is money changing hands. If you have money you can buy higher quality exchanges.
I have given up on personal community for myself, in the same way that I no longer pine or wish for a man...there is no point in hoping for the impossible.

• Buoyant Boundaries—When sovereign we do not define ourselves as the opposite of that which we don't like. We just want to get on with creativity, construction, exploration, and adventure... Interest in what the other guys are doing drops off, the fight goes out, indignation and rebellion are no more. Only  building of the new becomes important. Live and let live within the Multiplicity. It is a waste of energy to describe how we are different from the other guy…sovereign energy wants to move more constructively.

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Check out the awesome two talks by Christopher Knowles...he warms up to be thoroughly awesome. www.occultofpersonality.net/

are the closest thing to my family prior to zeropoint solaris community is built (eg: future shambhala in heaven-noplace)

• Spiritual Immunity—Spiritual immunity is composed of physical, emotional and social immunity and is key to centering and self-direction. Few people are born with a strong sense of it, but it can be achieved by mindful intent, dearmoring and deconstriction of the flow of light (communication/communion). Spiritual immunity is the experience of high states of love, centeredness, certainty, self-confidence, clarity, peace, enjoyment, humorousness and playfulness. Immunics involves releasing reactivity to other people’s opinions (vibes) in order to "create the new" and experience the pure unadulterated Self, heightened stress relief, self-value and self-validation.
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« Reply #134 on: October 01, 2009, 10:44:10 PM »

I just want us to be further along.


… There’s a lot of beauty and tenderness in that statement, and I have felt the same on more occasions than I can imagine… There… I just felt it again…

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  I miss the true community where there is such a body of growth between people that you don't have to cover the basics. I seem to never get past the basics with people.

… That’s what that wise soul once told me; “You want to be in the company of others who already understand the truths that you know.” Who already understand the ‘basics’ so you don’t have to re-invent the wheel all over, day after day. Then –with that shared understanding- that doesn’t have to be taught (or learned), you can then co-create, and blaze unconventional trails with joyous, and reckless abandon!!!

… Where two or more are gathered, so the wisdom goes… Damn, imagine three or four… or five or six…

… Two would be good …

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  I don't have the energy to answer the STUPID questions like do you believe in God, or are you enlightened or trying to explain how I am different than the new age. It is an instant judgment/categorization/dismissal mentality that abounds now...

… Momma said there’d be days like this…

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  connection not being important unless there is money changing hands. If you have money you can buy higher quality exchanges.

… There are a few other backstage passes that will get you into that door –other than oodles and oodles of cash- and that is either a keen and stellar intellect, or a wildly creative and eccentric artistic creativity… I’m pretty certain you possess both of these attributes…

… Only thing left before you enter that stage is to have something keenly intellectual and creative to say…

… Hmmm, I wonder where we can find such material?…

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I have given up on personal community for myself, in the same way that I no longer pine or wish for a man...there is no point in hoping for the impossible.    

… hehehe, I like that little violin player… Humor can be sooo important when you’re about to destroy the world…

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  It is a waste of energy to describe how I am different from the other guy..
I want to use my energy more constructively.
 

… as well you should…

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When sovereign we do not define ourselves as the opposite of that which we don't like. We just want to get on with creativity, construction, exploration, adventure... Interest in what the otherguys are doing drops off, the fight goes out, indignation and rebellion are no more. Only the building of the new becomes important.

… don’t look now, but you just described how different you are from the other guy… and I’ll be that even ‘the other guy’ can understand this autopoetic clarity, with little effort at all…

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occultofpersonality      Totally digging Chris Knowles!!!
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are the closest thing to my family prior to zeropoint solaris community is built.
 

… I’ll have to do some Googling then…

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Check out the awesome two talks by Christopher Knowles...he warms up to be thoroughly awesome. www.occultofpersonality.net/

are the closest thing to my family prior to zeropoint solaris community is built (eg: future shambhala in heaven-noplace)
 

… oh… a new addition…

... Thanks!...
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