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[jimtzu]

i havn't noticed any Siddhis or powers here, but the telepathy doesn't sound too bad, would certainly put the liars and people with ulterior motives out of business, literally....

[henry]

at the esalen CTR website, there is an interesting compilation of siddhis from haridas chaudhuri. also, mike murphy and jeff kripal have convened a couple of invitation only conferences on  "supernormal and superpowers". "faster than a speeding bullet, more powerful than a locomotive, able to leap tall buildings with a single bound, its a bird, its a plane, its superman!".   . ....superhero henry

[Jana]

"Personal experience tells me that ethical control of Siddhis - both in the teachings on how to develop them and their subsequent application - could be difficult and the whole input could turn our lives upside down like few things could."

The siddhis are just an amplification of prior abilities that have been released via the de-repression of the brain and fired up with high octane mana fuel. How one uses ones siddhis is how one uses anything....meaning that the moral or vocational level of development will determine how one uses all ones senses. If one is a lightning rod to God...not everyone will be able to tolerate the revelatory and spacious nature of our energy. Knowing when to be gone is just as much of an art as knowing where to show up.

[marianthi]

And is there a guarantee that the discriminatory ability/wisdom will develop before the Siddhi?

 
M.

[Francis]

I'm sure he'll be delighted to hear that Andrew Cohen, in a lecture snippet that came as one of the freebies of a freebie for signing up for the Great Awakening, declared that we have a moral obligation to evolve.

In other words; "I'm ok and you're not ok, unless you do as I say" This advice comes free. Once you agree, it's time to start paying him. Is he trying to separate the wheat from the chaf or the fool from his money? 

[marianthi]

maybe the answer is Moksha (liberation) before siddhis. gifts of the spirit are called charisms in the christian tradition,adornments sufi etc. Grace rocks. let me be ready pretty soon

Henryananda,

What would YOU consider to be Moksha, liberation?  When and how would you know you have it? Hmmm???

Looking forward to the answer.   
M.

[henry]

thank you, my child for your question . i guess when bhakti, Christing annointing love pervades our cells in every way . that would likely avoid an Aleister crowley type perversion of siddhis... the carrot of evolution....now, my child, please let your next question be about baseball ...henryananda ...hope you guys are having a big Birthday

[Lawrence]

Lawrence,

1. "Perfect" does not necessarily mean "good."

If one considers the phrase, “he was a perfect ass” –then it’s not too difficult to see the perfection with your comparison.

Perfect can mean an instance that cannot in any way be bettered.

Well, that is easy enough to understand. Much more difficult to accept however, in a theoretically unlimited cosmology.

2. If one squints just right it can be revealed that the only extant instance is the universal pattern of energy that is in process...now!

No time like the present, and no existence like existence.

3. Because there is no alternative to that (except in some dippy notion of alternate universes), it cannot be bettered. It is perfect. 

And yet it would seem that there is in fact an alternative. It is that ‘past/future’ projection paradigm that most of us appear to engage in –at the very detriment of that present moment experience. And if I read Francis (I mean Bud) correctly –and many others as well- even ‘that’ which seemingly ‘can’ be bettered, is also equally perfect –which is the conundrum, or paradox, or jones inducing quandary that demands clarity…

Gee Larry, you’ve really put me on the spot.  Don’t be sorry, my post was deliberately provocative. 

I’m not surprised. Being the lurker that I am, I have read much of your writing and was almost sure that someone with your depth of thought would not have set themselves up in such a simple manner. And yet even though I have heard this line of reasoning in so many different ways and for so many years, I also half hoped that you might be able to present a new twist in this age old projection –and for the first time, introduce me to a more satisfying rationale than I have yet to hear from anyone, at any time. Part of me wants to rail around something that I cannot quite put my awareness around, and another part of me also feels as though these potential non-dualists might very well be on to something that I just cannot quite grok as yet.

Don’t be sorry, my post was deliberately provocative. 

Thank you for your understanding. I thought as much but, one never really knows –do one?...

Certainly, as Steve indicates, it is possible to be perfectly misguided. It’s also possible to be in the midst of perfection and not know it. Tolle talks about ‘sitting on a box of gold’ and Ganjali says we each have a ‘diamond’ in our pocket.
 I’m saying it is ok to be unaware of this fabulous birthright, they’re saying that it’s not ok.
 

I like that. It’s a very admirable position. Is there a non-dualistic, meta-physical, transcendental, timeless precept for such a conviction, or is it rather a more moral, ethical, empathetic impulse –or even a vast, colorful combination of multiple motivations?
It seems as though we are back to ‘it’s all good’ once again, and I’m just simply trying to get a lock on its timeless origins, and its potentially omniscient veracity.

I’m saying it is ok to be unaware of this fabulous birthright, they’re saying that it’s not ok.  Macintosh: The degree of our transcendence is [indicated] by the scope of our inclusion. As Whitman says: There was never any more inception than there is now, Nor any more youth or age than there is now, And will never be any more perfection than there is now,Nor any more heaven or hell than there is now.

 That’s my story. I intend to defend it.

And a grand story, worthy of defense, it is…

[Francis]

Is there a non-dualistic, meta-physical, transcendental, timeless precept for such a conviction, or is it rather a more moral, ethical, empathetic impulse –or even a vast, colorful combination of multiple motivations?
It seems as though we are back to ‘it’s all good’ once again, and I’m just simply trying to get a lock on its timeless origins, and its potentially omniscient veracity.


To answer your question, I consider it a pragmatic approach. If I don’t accept the way other people are, how can I hope to be accepted for the way I am? If I judge them, my judgments will bounce back and bite me in the ass. If I’m not coming from the point of view of ‘I’m ok and you’re ok’ , then I have a problem, not them. Does that make sense?

My take on ‘It’s all good’ is that it’s like the expression ‘it’s 5 o’clock somewhere’ meaning that the cocktail hour can start at any time. Shift your perspective if you don’t want to feel bad. There are no absolutes, so why stay in a state of mind that’s focused on the bad aspect of something, marinating your brain in stress chemicals when a mere shift in perspective is all that’s needed to feel better? “Every silver lining has a touch of gray” but why focus on that?  Don't forget it, but don't focus on it either. To some extent it's the same approach as that of the threatened ostrich, in fact I call it the ostrich approach. Works for me.

[marianthi]

i guess when bhakti, Christing annointing love pervades our cells in every way . that would likely avoid an Aleister crowley type perversion of siddhis...  ...hope you guys are having a big Birthday

Henry rocks!  Oceanic love vs. the puny self.  Oh yeah.  From what I hear, when such love  ´pervades our cells in every way´ Siddhis might do a spontaneous dance.  Thank you Henry!  Huge hugs for that.

Master Steven and I completed a good birthday celebration - and I even gave Steven what Jim suggested.

Back for yet another reading of the Bhakti Sutras.

 
M.

[henry]

listened to the Wilber piece today while watching Andy Murray dance into the fourth round at wimbledon . Craig Hamilton and Claire Zammit are doing a good job as moderators. Muktananda/Gurumayi friend sally kempton next up in 2 weeks. good wishes to heartmind

[Liz]

I listened to it too. Not sure I heard anything new, but it's good to be able to join something like this. I did nod off to sleep in the middle. I find the thanking the sposors a bit of overkill but mabe it isn't by US standards. The whole series looks worthwhile.

Andy Murray for guru

Liz

[Daniel]

Does your sperm count have an impact on spiritual awakening?

[henry]

mine absolutely does

[Nickeson]

Well, M and I arrived at the event a few minutes late. Then we both fell asleep at roughly the same time, awoke and left when the sermon was finished and the fellowship started because there wasn't any donuts.

I still have my notes though; they stayed in the notebook. M's were loose and just now when I went down to see to the coffee and the cats, I noticed the notes were under the table, put there in the evening by one of those intoxicating winds that blow in from the front edge of a thunderstorm with a reminder of old ecstasies.