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[Michael]

A big thanks to our Integral Awakening corespondent Henry!

In somewhat related news, Van Jones, the very interesting integral environmental, social justice activist who has been an adviser to the Obama administration resigned from that position today, because he was under attack by critics who couldn't abide his signing of a 911 truth petition a few years ago.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8240275.stm

[Jana]

That was me Michael, I am so saddened by the hypocrisy.
Van Jones should literally be running this country. 911 should come out as the greatest false flag in history or the political and mental/spiritual repercussions for the future look bleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeek indeed.
It shows tho, that we have to e-motionally separate from the larger history of politico-corp events in order to remain healthy and sound and growing ourselves. I wish I had some help in this...I will work on it...as it needs to go into my book.
Philo-sophical detachment. (Love-wisdom-detachment)

I am using the 911 denial or 911 acceptance question as my main point of deciding whether some individual is sane enough to spend my time on these days. Having been fooled by one forumite here, and that socalled Ny Times Science Reporter...I mean what kind of scientific thinker would go along with the social programming on the BIGGEST scientific story of all ages up till now. I am sure these deniers must be either mental cripples or  morally corrupt.

[Michael]

Yes Jana, sorry I didn't acknowledge your post on the 911 thing earlier.  Was just thanking Henry for keeping us updated on the IA scene.

Sorry to hear that you had some trouble with a forumite here...but I don't know which NY Times reporter you mean...

Adyashanti often speaks of "in the world, but not of the world" when talking about that kind of detachment.

I suppose we all have our various litmus tests regarding who we will bother with in this world.  I probably have a lot of them that I don't analyze, but one that comes to mind is "the certainty quotient".  I generally won't bother with people who hold their certainties too tightly.

[jimtzu]

i saw the reports on Van Jones.  i'd say unbelievable.. but actually it's all to believable with the current state of rampant manufactured partisanship going on with the "health care debate" and now the school speech.  i do think it will go even further before things snap back to a more centered, sane viewpoint, if it actually happens.  things have to reach their extremes to get back to normal.

[Jana]

Yea that Buddhist notion is only heresay unless one has the skills to actually disengage from harmful vibration, events and experiences we are exposed to.

Can't say who the journalist was, but he is one of the leading science writers in the US

The solution is posted in Substantiating Positive Psychology

[Liz]

This may seem like a daft question..........but if a holocaust denier thingk the holocaust never happened, whats a 911 denier?
I'm pretty sure its not someone who thinks Sept 11th vanished.............or the 9th of November if you read dates the way we do here.
So is it someone who thinks the twin towers are still standing? That would seem odd.

Maybe this is obvious to the Americans here, but it isn't to me.

I'm betting its to do with conspiracy theorists in some way...........


Liz

[maryw]

Hey peeps. Just wanted to wave hello, and send some cheers and beers.  

Also, I was reading through this thread and saw a comment yours, Henry:

One incident that spoke volumes to me was the good gathering of you core IN members in Boulder when the forum was at the peak of its popularity. Mr. Wilber couldn't be bothered and sent a couple of his lackeys.

This is long after the fact, but I wanted to set the record straight.

I was at that gathering. As Liz pointed out, we "core" forumites were actually more interested in meeting each other than in a chance to see KW. But there's more to the story: KW sent a couple of very cool kids, Corey and Casey, to invite us to his Boulder loft for a party during one of the last days of the gathering. According to Corey and Casey, he'd actually intended to be there himself, but had just broken his arm and was recuping at his home in Denver.

It turned out that he had had a seizure, one of the complications of that illness (REDD) he's been dealing with for years. During the seizure he had fallen and broken his arm.

So, it's really not the case that "he couldn't be bothered."  Take it from someone who was there. 

Glad to see Heartmind is still around! I'm not online as much these days, but do get pulled into a conversation from time to time.

Love, stars, and chocolate,

Mary W.

[henry]

hi maryw, good to see you...i know the "story" and i'm not buying it. Had it been a group representing $100,000 a month to your Church organization, you would have been there to thank them on a gurney . You were always the designated guardian angel of the IN forum, explaining the inexplicable, mending fences, excusing the inexcusable. And now there is nothing to defend...i've been passionate about integral through mike murphy for decades before wilber V discovered/invented it. Ken has made a stong intellectual contribution....Marilyn Schlitz takes her turn tomorrow in the series...Prayers for your friend Thomas Keating and very happy 39th birthday on tuesday ....henry

[maryw]

Hi Henry --

"Had it been a group representing $100,000 a month to your Church organization, you would have been there to thank them on a gurney."

Maybe. But I really have no idea, having never had an REDD-related seizure that broke my arm. I do know that people can feel quite disoriented and weak after a grand-mal seizure. I wouldn't fault anyone for not feeling up to schmoozing with others after such a distressing event.

Thank you for the prayers for Keating. Latest I've heard is that he's in the hospital waiting to learn more (he has blood clots in his lungs) from his doc, and he's in good spirits. Gracias too for the beerful birthday greetings.  In all honesty, it will be the tenth anniversary of my 39th birthday.

Oh, and Liz: I think that a "9 / 11 denier" is someone who disagrees with the official version of what happened -- that the U.S. was attacked by Osama bin Laden-led Al Qaeda terrorists. There are some who believe that the plot was hatched by elements within the U.S. gov't, or that the Bush administration had foreknowledge of the plot and intentionally allowed the attack to happen.

Mary

[henry]

your faithful correspondent enjoyed today's episode with marilyn schlitz. Not only is she president/ceo of IONS, she is on the board of trustees @ esalen and will convene two conferences there soon on Humanistic Medicine at esalen CTR. She may also be a friend of our intrepid leader mD through IONS/Shift in Action, and a frequent twittersphere chatter on our heartmind homepage. Love to Heartmind

[Jana]

A 911 denier is someone who has failed to put the thousands of pieces of obvious evidence together than can only result in the readily observable truth that 911 was a plot by the military-industrial-banking-petrolchemical machine through the vehicle of some NY Jews, the Mosad, Saudis, Bush-Bin Laden families (Carlyle Group)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlyle_Group
black ops CIA. It was your typical false-flag only on a bigger scale.

The only real evidence one really needs to see the full picture of what went down is the demolition evidence of military-tech thermite charge diagonal cuts on the tower columns.

http://www.debunking911.com/cut3.jpg

Other evidence includes...Cheney head of NORAD/stand down; false-flag-cover similations of the multiple "war games" scheduled at the same time; Silverstein insurance scam/"just pull'em"; planes had no passenger windows - they were remote controlled fuel tankers; planes flew into Cleveland airport-travllers had to leave on foot; "hyjacked" planes only 20% full...people taken to NASA building and exterminated; pentagon guarding missile went into pentagon which had been "hardened" so it would not go through to Rumsfelds office; missiles on Bush estate in FL 9/10; gold missing from Towers; Mosad fake-artists laid charges for 2 weeks while living in the buildings; firefighters didn't get the exit call as phones of firefighters down so there would be less offical reports of bombs going off in the building before the collapse; Eron files lost in collapses; Bush brother in charge of security firm; obvious charge blasts in sequence under collapse wave front; possible fluoride gas used to disintegrate steel; buildings pulverized to dust in air suggesting sub-nuc blast; loss of crime evidence- metal shipped off to China for smeltering; some people warned not to fly others not to go to work at the towers; 200 BinLaden family flown out of US-them being the only planes in the skies at the time.

Just a small sampling

[maryw]

Oops Jana -- guess I got 9 / 11 deniers vs. accepters backwards.

Henry -- I haven't heard any of the Great Integral Awakening talks -- may try to catch up on them at some point .... Years ago I used to enjoy reading the IONS magazine when I worked at a place that subscribed to it ...

Fr. Thomas is said to be in good condition after a procedure that will prevent more clots from forming in his lungs. He could be out of the hospital in a couple of days.

Peace,
Mary

[henry]

not to worry maryW,you haven't missed much. i think you would enjoy marlilyn schlitz. She is a very busy interesting woman and you'll likely run into her one of these days. My hero in the group is Michael Murphy whose esalen may be facing some identity issues transitioning from an extremely interesting experiment to an ongoing institution....glad to hear Fr. Keating is on the mend and again, Very Happy 38th Birthday ...henry

[henry]

your faithful correspondent finally hit the wall today during today's installment of GIA. Carter Phipps seems like a perfectly nice wet behind the ears guy, but the wilber-cohen axis version of integral has driven me over the edge . i'll try to make it through one more week (rabbi gafni ) and then i'm asking mD for re-assignment

[jimtzu]

you're a braver man than i Henry-din