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« Reply #120 on: September 09, 2009, 11:03:57 AM »

It seems to me that the most valuable model to use here employs the concept of thoughtforms. The difference between a thoughtform and a concept is the emotional content. Emotion leads to action and action fixes karma. Karma is composed of thoughforms. Thoughtforms have the power to transmit emotional content and concepts generally lack that power. Transforming a dead concept into a living thoughtform requires that the concept be associated with emotional content by a nervous system. Then the newly hatched thoughtform can be acted on or ‘fledged’; given ‘wings’ to fly off and affect other’s thoughts and emotions in a process not unlike osmosis.

Cooperation and competition are dead concepts, not living thoughtforms. Paranoia and pronoia are living thoughtforms. Typically, paranoia trumps pronoia, other things being equal. Therefore the paranoia thoughtforms must be effectively evicted first from the psyche, then from the entire aura, in order for pronoia thoughtforms to thrive. I call it “weeding the garden”

Paranoia is most often triggered by some perceived threat to our Maslow needs. But even after our needs are met, we still may have a lingering residual insecurity that languishes around us in a latent state. This latent thoughtform can be easily reactivated even in the absence of any rational threat to our needs. Some drastic measures are needed to fully vanquish the last vestiges of paranoia from our aura.

This brings us to the drastic measure of renunciation. Renunciation involves abandoning our Maslow needs. This disarms paranoia because we no longer strive to satisfy those needs. When you ain’t got nothin’, you got nothin’ to lose. There are no needs in any absolute sense. All needs are relative to some desire. In short; no one really needs anything. Needs are just petrified desires; desires that are worshiped as gods.

What you resist; you become. Society’s fixation on ensuring survival at all cost is threatening the survival of society.  In this case, resisting death invites it. Clinging to life too tightly is destructive to survival. The grasping hand crushes the prize.

A need is just a desire that becomes an obsession. Paranoia is an obsessive state triggered by some perceived threat to our needs. Paranoia results from interpreting our desires as needs. There are no needs in any absolute sense. All needs are relative to some desire. In short; no one really needs anything. Maslow, like any other salesman is trying to fix our desires, and turn them into needs. You don’t just want your clothes to be whiter and brighter; you need that to happen.
 
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« Reply #121 on: September 09, 2009, 12:49:58 PM »

So no one needs anything? You just take from others what you can get and stun them with poison so they don't know whats what, and then you stab em in the back as you leave, while blaming them for not giving you enough. Sounds like the American way.

Cheers to Oliver Stone: Venezuela's Chavez Supports Stone's Movie in Venice

See all youtube videos by John Pilger…will teach you about your country:
John Pilger on Iraq and Terrorism
John Pilger - The War On Democracy - Part 1 of 10
John Pilger: Is Israel a terroristic entity?(P1-6)
John Pilger - Freedom Next Time

Re-enchantment and re-sensitizing in nature's energies and our real (quality) needs is the way to overcome addiction and substitute gratifications of all kinds.
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« Reply #122 on: September 09, 2009, 03:36:16 PM »

Oliver Stone has never lived the life of a Venezuelan in the last 10 years or at any other time.  Like statisticians, movie makers can juggle reality any way they want.

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« Reply #123 on: September 09, 2009, 04:09:27 PM »

i went to tennis camp with oliver in 1965, and my impression is that he never transcended his goofiness Huh?. ...forrest
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« Reply #124 on: September 10, 2009, 06:02:01 AM »

A little poison now and then makes for agreeable dreams and too much poison in the end, for an agreeable death. ~ Nietzsche


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« Reply #125 on: September 10, 2009, 07:29:53 AM »

Due to the power of entropy born of imbalance, poison or negative will is easier than being an upstanding/uplifting human by setting ones trajectory toward the light, for we have to transcend the 10,000 year old death culture in order to do so.

.....substantiating positive psychology through the fulfillment of basic needs.

Re-enchantment and re-sensitizing in nature's energies and our real (quality) needs is the way to overcome addiction and substitute gratifications of all kinds. The energetic state of tuning to the Schumann Resonance provides the framework on which healthy mental and physical processes occur. When we get out of planetary atunement so to speak our emotions, thoughts, personality and relationships get increasingly out of whack. Our most basic need is to be in cosmic frequency resonance from which our entire life and culture spin out of.

Hi M, I would be interested to hear what you have to say about the Chavez Movie.
John Pilger talks about the CIA fake coup and other Chavez stuff in his video series
John Pilger - The War On Democracy - Part 1 of 10

When basic needs go unmet we create entire cultures of substitute gratifications until we forget what it is to be human.

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« Reply #126 on: September 10, 2009, 07:58:25 AM »


Rather than be a narcissistic black hole in which all energies are sucked into and never leave...we learn how to shine and give through the example of being given to by others. Ultimately we learn, through the warmth of the radiance of the heart that it is more pleasurable to give than to receive. And thus begins our dharma or spiritual vocation,  - the spiritual ignition of our life’s true work.

To say we don't "need" anything is to set up the hungry ghost energies of insatiability. Rather we should focus on “quality in equals quality out,” and consider that our fundamental needs for nature's energies, loving human companionship, meaningful work and refinement in consciousness are essential to the humanizing process. If we fail in providing "quality" (qualia of value) in any aspect of our humanness from soil to soul, then we lose our potential for perfect sanity (hygiene) in the transmutation of Light (incarnation). Qualia is the unique “taste” of our individual subjective human experience. Qualia are said to represent that which is ultra-intuitive, ineffable, intrinsic, private and directly or immediately comprehensible to consciousness.

When we are not actively incarnating or metamorphosizing, we are afloat in the stagnant waters of Flatland material culture. Dissociated from our body and soul and distracted by a zillion false desires and consolation prizes to cover the misery of our self-betrayal. Thus rather than a selfless turning away from our true needs, they should become our primary focus. An ever increasing refinement of what it takes to fuel the hu-manizing process is required to knit the fabric of ascension together and form an inviolabe integrated web of spiritual substantiation. In religion and ethics, “inviolability” or sanctity of life is the principle protection of those aspects of sentient life which are said to be holy, sanctified, or otherwise of such value that they are not to be violated.

When basic needs go unmet we create entire cultures of substitute gratifications until we forget what it is to be human
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« Reply #127 on: September 10, 2009, 12:17:59 PM »

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Unmet needs engender ‘drives’ - i.e. motivation. The drives have energy that must be dissipated somehow, thus we get the substitutions. People say they need money when what they really need, if anything, is what money can buy.

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I’m saying the opposite; to say we "need" anything is to set up hungry ghost energies of insatiability. Cool phrase, by the way. Needs are addictions, they undermine our sovereignty. Our needs must be satisfied or abandoned in order to be liberated and free. Thousands, perhaps even millions of renunciates have reached Self-actualization this way. How many people have successfully climbed Maslow’s hill and become liberated? About zero.

As far as I know, the path of renunciation is the only path that works because trying to satisfy one’s needs without it leads to insatiability.

“Poor man wanna be rich, rich man wanna be king, king ain’t satisfied ‘till he rules everything.” ~ Bruce Springsteen

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Rather than a selfless turning away from our true needs, they should become our primary focus.
Another great phrase “selfless turning away from our needs” = renunciation. Think about it; the Self has no needs, only the self does. The preoccupation of the self (ego) with our needs precludes realization of the full mantle of the Self. This is what Maslow is saying: we must get all our needs met in order climb the ‘pyramid of needs’ as a prerequisite to Self-actualization. I say that this is a path fraught with pitfalls. Renunciation is more effective, quicker and, most probably, less painful.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow%27s_hierarchy_of_needs

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sannyasa
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« Reply #128 on: September 10, 2009, 12:30:05 PM »

Hey M,

Cool quote at the bottom of your post. You're not the first person to be frustrated with Stone's revisionist versions of history. Ray manzarek was downright indignant about the Doors movie by OS.
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« Reply #129 on: September 10, 2009, 04:19:26 PM »

"As far as I know, the path of renunciation is the only path that works because trying to satisfy one’s needs without it leads to insatiability."

I don't see you renouncing anything...you only spout renunciation. Beats me while using what other people freely offer you without giving back. Cry

Asceticism (from the Greek: áskēsis) means "exercise" or "training" in the sense of athletic training) describes a life-style characterized by abstinence. Asceticism can lead to chronic deprivation to the point of social ostracization. People do not commend one for sacrifices in the name of art or duty. One is instead stigmatized as a deviant, a freak or obsessed. The sacrifice of life and pleasure for the greater good is then turned against one as people cannot understand an intense trial of endurance done for a higher purpose beyond ones self. Standard, non-initiated culture cannot understand being “driven” by the Muse.

In fact on completion of a work of genius the second most common response is jealousy which is covered over with the exclamation that one is in fact horribly selfish to have expended so much of ones life in bringing forth the "creative project." Thus it is of utmost importance to not expect respect, thanks or understanding when we launch our projects into this Flatland world. Our art must be freed from the cruelty, baseness and shallowness of this narcissistic environment...in order to keep the muse alive.

In my experience the physical pain or lack of pleasure from say the long exercise of celibacy or nature deprivation leads directly to social repulsion. Both in that it is very hard to engage physically with other humans of the conventional noncreative culture and mindset, and they in turn are revolted by the isolationist or ascetic because they do not embody the energetic of “pleasure and satiety.” Thus it is important be proactive in finding a suitable spiritual family or partner in life. For the problem of exclusion sets up a life path of ever increasing social ossification, creating an abyss which may indeed never be crossed.

Renunciation can lead to the hardening of the heart, senses and the organs of relationship. Generosity, generation and genius dry up along with sex hormones and neurotransmitters. One then needs increasing doses of isolation, asceticism, fasting, or deprivation in order to feel stimulated. The life path of asceticism leads to ever diminishing returns due to the lack of connectivity and sensory-neuronal enrichment. Similarly the path of the hedonist leads to ever diminishing returns also due to neuron and hormone receptor resistance due to too much stimulation and the inability of the bodymind to be able to detoxify adequately to restabilize homeostasis.

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« Reply #130 on: September 11, 2009, 05:49:00 AM »

Fair enough. I'm not 'walking my talk' For me this is an intellectual exercise. What I'm saying is that others have proved my point. If something is given 'freely', that implies that no recompense is required.
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« Reply #131 on: September 11, 2009, 06:04:09 PM »

Creativity is perhaps the best channel for dissipating inner conflict. Renunciation is a more drastic response. Creativity is a remedy, renunciation is the cure. Both are a ways to compensate for unmet 'basic needs' and are also responses to a lack of inner satiety.

My view is that creativity is better unless there is too much inner conflict and turmoil, as indicated by such things as excessive depression, anxiety, frustration, etc. When these things persist and inner turmoil is not dissipated by creative endeavors, it's time to consider renunciation. That is, partial renunciation. Even the Hindu ascetics still eat food. But they sometimes go as far as to seek out the most bland food in an effort to avoid stimulation. Total renuncation is suicide, because it implies denial of basic sustenance. There is such a thing as mild renunciation. People do it all the time, they break relationship ties and don't replace them. They give up ice cream, alcohol, sex, TV,...anything you can think of, but not everything. Mild renunciation is just breaking habits and giving up certain stimulations, but not all stimulations.

The idea is this; inner conflict is aggravated by external stimulus. Inner conflict can either be dissipated by creative endeavors or blocked from accumulating in the first place, by partial renunciation.

To sum up; many types of impressions create inner tension that must be dissipated by means of creative endeavors to avoid problems like anxiety, depression, frustration, stress, etc. When the creative 'outlets' cannot keep up with the pace of the input of impressions, some impressions (stimulations) need to be blocked in order to avoid stress and anxiety. These extraneous stimulations are then renounced or blocked from entering the psyche in the first place. Renunciation is just introversion, whereas creativity is extroversion. Use both in moderation to adjust your inner tension as needed. That's what I do.

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« Reply #132 on: September 11, 2009, 10:35:37 PM »

I refuse to hear anything more about renunciation. For soul building it is refinement that is required, and a dynamic balance between fullness and emptiness, activity and rest, work and play, day and night, inner and outer development.

In the uroborous is symbolized the process of devouring onself and turning oneself into a circulatory process of the assimilation of opposites. The metamorphosis of the human soul is a process of turning inside out, self-reference, self-recursion, of self-eating if you will. True creativity, or generation of the new, stems directly from this self-embedding process of self-implosion born of the soul incarnating through the perfect fractal geometry of the heart song. This is the Muse...the music of the Universe at play.

Sovereignty is learning to atune to this universal music by following the Muse. Sovereignty is the process of soul making – of making a soul – of incarnating. What is in need of renunciation is simply the harmful dissonant vibrations that create interference patterns in the universal music such as smoking, drugs, alcohol, cooked food, unconscious sex, pollution, EMF toxicity, non-biological architecture, degrading power-over relationships, dark or regressive philosophies and the Grateful Dead Music. Soul making or sovereignty is an art and science of protecting of those aspects of sentient life which are said to be holy, sanctified, or otherwise of such value that they cannot be violated without a loss of the Good, the Beautiful and the True.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_Q3j6eHBJc&feature=PlayList&p=0D6F1F49AC4CD990&index=47  —Purpose of DNA 1/12 Here Dan Winter puts the whole thing together…white powder of gold, serpent and the eagle,  Dodecahedral Grids, Fractality, superluminal DNA, heart frequencies, soul-incarnation, Sumerians, Dogans, Templars, CIA, San Grail.
One of the greatest rants ever, more comprehensive even than Ananda Bosman’s one.
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« Reply #133 on: September 13, 2009, 09:10:33 AM »

Yes and a dynamic balance between the Good, the Beautiful, the True and the Evil, the Ugly, the False. They're just labels. Let's employ some more playfulness to avoid being too hung up on labels. All good things have an evil aspect and all beautiful things have an ugly aspect and all truths are partial, having some false aspects or implications.

Positivity requires that we take the good  angel with the bad Evil

I see Uroborous as the One Thing that has turned back on itself and looks out from it's own head as the 'self' and sees it's own tail as 'other'.

No one escapes renunciation. Everything that's not forbidden, is mandatory. You can, as you have renounce renunciation, but there is in fact no real escape.  Every decision we make is a simply a renunciation of our alternatives.

Positivity is when were trying to move toward something, instead of running away from something.  But it's just a perspective regardless; really we're always doing both.
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« Reply #134 on: September 13, 2009, 03:25:43 PM »

Yes, but I still prefer the word "refinement. " Renunciation is too close to original sin in energy affinity.

Simply going neti neti will get you no where in life. There needs to be magnetic attraction for the next passionate interest, or life is just a boring bland blah of not good enough. Dan Winter is a good teacher of the science of gusto, which is related to Bliss and the sovereign self.
Sanity (hygiene) or "Bliss" is the self recursive process of eating spin. It is the turning inside out, or "implosion," that is the conservation of energy/consciousness against entropy. The ensouling process is charge convergence/phase conjugation that produces the awareness density and spin density that is Bliss. Apparently this coherent meta-emotion acts at the EMF level of the cell membrane to enhance immunity. Thus our Bliss quotient is identical to our ability to sustain self/non-self discrimination. Thus we see that Bliss or the eating of spin...otherwise known as metamorphosis or kundalini...is essential to genuine sovereignty.
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