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« Reply #30 on: October 09, 2009, 05:51:09 PM »

Thanks guys.  I'm perfectly happy with the way things are, and I hate ads...but I always do consider using them where the "high tone" of the place isn't at stake...

I like the tone here, and don't want to muddy it up with ads.

Sorry to hear the donations aren't exactly pouring in Jana.  I was hoping for better things.

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« Reply #31 on: October 09, 2009, 08:01:01 PM »

I am not big on the idea of donations anyway, I would prefer to sell product. Unless of course someone was going to offer millions of dollars or bequeath a Pacific Island to me. BananaDance

I went and saw Michael Moore's new movie...it was a great overview...I would like to see someone try and do a better job that was not hopelessly confusing. The humor and emotional tone of the movie was great...but it does reinforce my grave concern for this countries future. Because of the way it is structured America is going to consume itself and most of the planet on its way down.
Things are getting better and worse as usual.

I am just glad we have made some progress on the intellectual front...now these gains need to be translated to the masses so they can see new ways of doing things...rebooting from the ground up.
Otherwise both the top and the bottom of the pyramid are going to bring the whole civilization down crashing around our ears.

What sovereignty means under wholesale cultural collapse I don't know
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« Reply #32 on: October 09, 2009, 09:33:27 PM »

no worries. millions of dollars and a pacific island could be over-rated. all you need is love.~ Da bubba ironsides free enrique ananda-ji  Woo Hoo!
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« Reply #33 on: October 10, 2009, 01:43:34 PM »

Millions of dollars and a tropical island will buy you love.
Have you noticed how poor the character, how low the consciousness, how paranoiac punative and silly most peoples mental-emotional state is. You can't love that, at least not in any kind of personal or intimate way. I love as the sun shines but without a personal relation and without any return factor to me. Its like radiating into a black hole.
There are people out there that I can love tho, I meet them for a few minutes or hours every few years. The last one was a kundi-initiate dancer girl who was capable of original thought and deep sensitivity/knowledge...after talking with her for a few hours one day my voice lowered an octave or two for two days. This kind of genuine human interaction only happens about once every 5 to 10 years. It keeps me going. pray
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« Reply #34 on: October 10, 2009, 02:22:56 PM »

my reference was to bubba franklin ladi da whose millions and pacific island(previously raymond burr's) bought him miss kentucky, ms. las vegas and a bevy of co-dependent gopis.  And i don't believe for a second your love is radiating into a black hole nope. you can't fool ole henry wave. much appreciation Jana bow
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« Reply #35 on: October 10, 2009, 02:36:15 PM »

... I was into my third or fourth hour of watching Nassim Haramein videos, when my computer started acting up. I was sure it was my anti-virus going off, but when I looked, I noticed that wasn’t it at all. I searched around for other causes, but to no avail. “I wonder if I can get back on the Heartmind site,” I thought? As I did so, I noticed a new ‘heart-felt’ confession, or extrapolation from Jana… “Ahhhh,” I thought to myself. “Here’s where that interference was stemming from…”

… I have to side with Henry on this one, about money not buying love… You do not already have a million bucks –nor an island of your own- and yet I still love you none the less… I would agree that most love, from the level of being human, often begins with a ‘physical’ attraction –not to mention a certain ‘proximity’- that is either enhanced or detracted from when hearts and minds are eventually added to the mix… we all know how phleeting and phickle physical attraction can eventually become. We also know that it is the hearts and minds that are far more true and genuine… Personally, I do not know your physicality, but I do know that I love you regardless… I really love your heart and your mind… I love your passion and your commitment… I love your daring and your unconventional view of reality itself… I love your one-pointed determination to walk your walk… I love your talent as a writer and I love your gift as that of a Muse Miner…

… You have no money –but you do have love… You are such a powerful intuitive –I’m sure you can feel that… Do not put your head on that pillow tonight thinking that you are alone, sending love to a black whole that never sends it back in return… You have love… you merely need to feel it… to intuit it… in order to know it…

… Now, you may be looking for a ‘different’ kind of love –and that is no crime- but you cannot honestly say that you are without love –because you certainly have mine… and I am equally certain… that I am not alone in this regard… you are deeply loved… Kiss
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« Reply #36 on: October 10, 2009, 03:41:50 PM »

Distance forum love is better than none I suppose. Kiss Thanks
I am saying that deep connection...espec. personal connection...is 99% impossible. But I think I came out of the womb that way, into a freeked up world. Still I did think I might find a friend or two, but I think that might happen it I did have $ to play with with people. I don't want to even contemplate my life as an information dispensor now. Purge I want to be working with peers on something...and offering my books to the steaming masses so I don't have to be exposed to their wrath.
You may not be able to buy love with $ but you can buy semi-good behavior for a short period. Cry
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« Reply #37 on: October 10, 2009, 05:22:11 PM »

remember...while one side of the black whole is sucking in everything in it's path, the other side of the toros is spewing it out on the other side.

and don't forget what i call the feedback loop.... the time and distance between action and reaction...

it is usually our shadow that prevents us from seeing the love that is right there in front of us....

just some thoughts from a humble, unenlightened hermit   Cheesy
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« Reply #38 on: October 10, 2009, 05:44:54 PM »

There may be love, but not love for me, but I don't care, I don't want the kind of love people seem to be offering  Purge and I need an excuse to keep to myself anyway. Wink And the touch hunger is not so bad since I have been using iodine, melatonin and DHEA. I could probably go it alone until death...as long as I can get some ground and sunbathing in...and running. angel

Reading "Miss Conduct's Mind over Manners" by Robin Abrahams Smiley
she says it is actually a wonder people aren't MORE rude than they are considering the stress load...espec. in the US. But it is a self constructed stress load, it is a fiction composed of the process in culture that undermine our humanization. Cheesy
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« Reply #39 on: October 10, 2009, 06:20:04 PM »

Distance forum love is better than none I suppose. Kiss Thanks


… Distance forum love, or what have you –love knows no bounds…

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I am saying that deep connection...espec. personal connection...is 99% impossible. But I think I came out of the womb that way, it to a freeked up world. 

… It seems that all of us who hover on the periphery of the shadows of an old, tired narrative that has lost its luster, and this other, newer, as yet to be written one, cannot help but find ourselves scattered, and seemingly alone… Since the 99% are living this older version of reality, and the other one percent are still in the process of discovering, and building the newer one -in very scattered locations- your math, which declares the chance of your simple human needs being fulfilled, as nigh unto 99% impossible is probably not too far off the mark, in many respects… As Nassim so comically stated; “The spiritual people say, ‘no technology,’ and the physicist people say, ‘no consciousness stuff,’” and only a tiny portion of the population even understands the paradox itself…
… It is so obvious the vast majority of the population is so out of touch, it is extremely essential that those whom are of like-mind ‘must’ support each other in every possible manner –in person, when feasible, and by any other means, when necessary…


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Still I did think I might find a friend or two, but I think that might happen it I did have $ to play with with people.

… It took me twenty years to find you. But through you, I have found these others, who are least open and receptive to more unconventional narratives. Before long, I can see the possibility of real, physical connections. But for now, it is a great relief to know you –and others like you are out there… there will be more and more connections as this new future unfolds… You have endured –we have endured- the  worst of the isolation… it can only get better and better as more of us ultimately come together…

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I don't want to even contemplate my life as an information dispensor now.   

… I hope I didn’t give you the impression that I see you as little more than an information dispensing machine, and I hope that you do not see yourself as such  either?... You are sooo much more than that… At the very least, you are an artist that paints with words… An experiential artist that ‘lives and births’ her very work, and her art…

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I want to be working with peers on something...

… As do we all… I feel as though we are already working together to a certain degree. I can already see the numerous references to Nassim that will easily fit into my own creative narratives. Your own unique perspectives about natural nutrition and the science of a mystical experience will allow me to relate complex, scientific concepts without having to contort my brain into mental gymnastics it might be ill suited to exercise… The most important collaboration of all however, is the inspiration you have already given me in these past few, creative days… I haven’t written this much in years –and I owe it all to you… Not only are you a terrific Muse Miner in your own write –but you’re a terrific Muse yourself, as well!... I only wish that I could do as much for you…
… I was thinking about your dream for a visionary community that is as much about re-mineralizing the soil, and establishing a raw nutritional lifestyle, as it is about various healing therapies, in addition to more intuitive practices. I thought about what a huge project such a thing would entail if one were moved to build such a community from scratch, and I also wondered if there were actually existing communities out there that were already to one degree or another, embodying this very dream or vision. Your Pangaia community seems to have some of the attributes you envision, but probably lacks all the necessary ingredients you visualize. I’m sure there are hundreds of ‘spa’ like retreats that espouse certain therapies, and even amongst these, there must be a few that also lean towards a more ‘raw’ type of dietary discipline… Probably none of these spas, retreats, or communities has all that you envision –but I’ll bet a few incorporate enough of what you aspire to, that one or two might very well provide an opportunity to come a little closer to your own personal vision…
… I could easily see you coming into one of these communities with your own ideas and visions, and having the force of personality to actually mold these existing communities into mini versions of your own grand design… at the very least, you would be taking concrete steps to realizing your ultimate goal, which can only work to your benefit when that opportunity finally arises as you begin to fulfill that ultimate goal yourself… It might also be much more likely for you to find that financial benefactor for your ultimate desire while you are amongst environs where such a vision would be looked upon as not only viable, but even essential… Just a thought. I’m sure you’ve probably considered this already…

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and offering my books to the steaming masses so I don't have to be exposed to their wrath. You may not be able to buy love with $ but you can buy semi-good behavior for a short period.   

… Oh, in addition to everything else, did I forget to say how much I also love your sense of humor?… Smiley
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« Reply #40 on: October 10, 2009, 07:54:44 PM »

Nope, you know my answer is nope, nope, nope. nope
One cannot reform someone elses vision, or reform narcissistic spiritualists or even permaculturalists into visionaries. It is however much easier to seed the world with the calling-card books, and get the likeminded individuals on board this way. What I am talking about is people that were "born" this way already, and who have not gone mad already, but have been quietly working on their specialties all their lives...while knowing that there was something more. I want to create the pod, launch pad and starship for cosmic creativity no less. take a bow

If it doesn't happen no biggy, I will just write my books and dream...grow my own veges and what have you. But to try to reform an already looney set up...that is what I am doing now in standard culture...and I have had enough of that. Purge

• Social Incoherence—Sovereignty is greatly undermined by passively failing to seek out peers of like-mind to share ones life and projects with. This constitutes a lack of proactive Divine Play in community development. While resigning oneself to the agitation and toxicity of remaining in social groups that are counter to ones meme sensitivity, morality, depth of cognition and emotional well-being. With some effort we can find workmates, playmates and partners whom are evolutionary equivalents. Considering the dire need for social development and individuation/differentiation it is our duty to humanity to cohere into healthy, healing productive peer groups.
“It is so obvious the vast majority of the population is so out of touch, it is extremely essential that those whom are of like-mind ‘must’ support each other in every possible manner—in person, when feasible, and by any other means, when necessary.” Lawrence
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« Reply #41 on: October 14, 2009, 09:24:13 AM »

• Political Mesmerization—The uninitiated look for their center and their power through an outside source in the form of a glamorous idol, icon, idea, individual or institution. This externalization of control leads to disempowerment and a lack of integration and spiritual maturation of the brain, such that creativity and original thought is reduced...effecting a spiritual paralysis and unconsciousness through the hypnotism of the glamor of power. When we refuse to claim our own power we project it onto a protector "parent" figure in order to feel like a special, cared for child. However we each can become our own protector parent, whereupon true security and providence enrich our lives from the inside out and set about creating a new world...a new vision...and a new end game.

The world today... is like living in a schizoid kingdom, with the plebs siding up with the evil king and robber barons that are bleeding them dry. So effective is the propaganda by the usurpers that people are afraid of the slightest kink of truth entering their conditioned belief system. They are mesmerized by the fictitious concern over yet another form of taxation in form of medical insurance for a criminally corrupt medical system that should be free...while the same people are feeding them GM jumping genes, hormonal pesticides, fluoride/chlorine brain-killers, excitotoxins and killing the bees etc....
You just gotta turn your back on it...for you know ultimately it will end in a staged UFO attack and perfect political control of any and all countries...resources pirated by the most aggressive with the most advanced or evil technology.

...And set about creating a new world...a new vision...and a new end game.
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« Reply #42 on: October 14, 2009, 10:03:44 AM »

this RS piece takes a different approach to sovereignty




 

We often hold negative associations with the concept of detachment. "She seemed so detached," we overhear someone say with a pained look on his face. We may perceive someone who is detached as uncaring, irresponsible, unloving, or any number of other things. We are made to believe that attachment is what brings happiness.  We often confuse love and attachment.

During the last few months, the universe has gifted me with valuable experiences regarding attachment and detachment in a relationship. When I entered a particular relationship dance, I consciously committed to breaking through structures and limitations that had been present in all my previous relationships. These structures and limitations were echoes of familial patterns, past relationships, and societal norms. I opened myself more fully than I ever had before, moving through fear, and allowing myself to be utterly vulnerable and exposed. I engaged in this dance with a beautiful, divine being who embodies the very essence of detachment and love.

During this time, I observed myself growing more and more connected (more attached, we might say) to this being, as there were no longer walls around my heart. This experience may be related to what people refer to as "falling in love." It was a new experience for me. I had been on the receiving end of such an experience but never on this end.

When we attach to someone, there is a connection like an energetic cord. This energetic cord has a similar function to the physical umbilical cord. When we are in the womb, we are connected by the umbilical cord to the mother in order to gain nourishment; this connection is necessary to support life. When we enter this world, and we are able to thrive on our own, it is time for the chord to be cut, we detach. In relationships, not realizing there is any other way, we energetically attach to another in order to draw nourishment, to get our needs met.

We are conditioned into believing that the fulfillment of all our emotional needs and our happiness are attained through a significant other, or through other outside sources, rather than from within. Emotions are energy, and we believe we need energy from others. We believe we are like light bulbs needing to be plugged into an electrical outlet in order to shine. And we are continually bombarded with messages to reinforce this false belief -- everything from co-dependent love song lyrics like, "I can't live without you," to our parents and friends telling us, "You'll find somebody to make you happy, don't worry." With this repeating message, it is not difficult to see how we then internalize this belief. We say, consciously or unconsciously, "I am not with the woman/man of my dreams, therefore, I am unhappy. I feel confused, forlorn, unwhole, unloved."

Statements like these hand over the ownership of our experiences and feelings to another person. We are saying, "You are here to make me happy," or "You are here to make me feel loved, or "I am sad because you left," -- you, you, you -- removing self-responsibility and making others the cause of what happens to us. We disempower ourselves. How can another person be responsible for something that is our personal, inner feeling state?

Having an energetic cord in a relationship also sets up expectations. Again, stated consciously or unconsciously (usually unconsciously), "If I buy you dinner" (or take care of the kids, or am kind to you, etc.), "you will like me more and want to spend more time with me so that I can get my emotional needs met." We are engaging in action with the expectation that it will bring us something in return. I want to be clear that I am not saying there is anything "right" or "wrong" with this way of engaging, but merely that it puts the responsibility of our need-fulfillment in another person's hands.

If we commit to acting from the awareness that we are responsible for our life choices and what we create, we have the opportunity to realize our truth, which is that we are NOT the light bulb. Rather, we are the electricity! We are that which we are seeking.

Having a fair amount of experience with energetic cords from times past, during the last few months, when I would feel attachment to this loved one, I would regroup and consciously "cut the cord" (a cord-cutting ceremony is a powerful tool from the shamanic tradition). I consciously chose to gain my nourishment and energy from sources other than this person. This happened time and time again -- I would feel energetically attached, and then cut the cord. Then, as if it had a will of its own, I would discover the cord attached once more (all those darn years of conditioning!). So again I would be persistent and cut it. Attach, snip...attach, snip...attach......snip.

Even when an energetically corded relationship comes to an end, or transitions into another form, the cord may still be there for a time. This is experienced in any number of ways: continued longing for the other, blame, projection, a sense of feeling incomplete without him or her, an attempt to control the other person's behavior because she isn't doing what we think she should be doing, etc., etc. This cord could remain attached for a few minutes, a few days, or a few years, depending on when we choose to cut it and release it.

The challenge is in the letting go, the surrendering to the unknown. As our hands grip the edge of the cliff, we cannot always see what lies beneath our dangling feet. But let there be trust, for others have gone before us and joyfully lived to tell the story.

When we choose to cut cords, we are not saying that we must disconnect ourselves from experiencing or feeling love. On the contrary, once we distinguish attachment from love, understanding they are not synonymous, we open ourselves up to experience a more powerful, pure, and expansive love, for it is no longer limited to just one person, and no longer based on need. It is like going from having a few teaspoons of water dribbled upon us to being plunged in the ocean! We become immersed in it. We realize it is in every thing and every one. It is impossible NOT to experience love, for this is our very essence.

A couple days ago, I came across these words by Don Miguel Ruiz from his book Beyond Fear. They are a beautiful reminder and reflection. He states, "Other peoples' love can awaken your love, but it is your own love that makes you happy. That love is your own truth. It is your freedom.... Happiness can come only from inside us. No one can make us happy. Happiness is an expression of our love coming out of us. We are not happy because others love us, but because we love them."

I am grateful to the universe, to Spirit, for providing such an ever-abundant supply of life experiences from which to learn and grow! May we all embrace our truth, experience our freedom and joy, and embody our love-essence.

Love All Ways,

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Only the person who is utterly detached and utterly dedicated is free to enjoy life. ~ Gandhi

 

Give up attachment to the results of what you do. That is, give your best to every undertaking without insisting that the results work out the way you want, or even whether what you do is pleasant or unpleasant....Those who are compulsively attached to the results of action cannot really enjoy what they do; they get downcast when things do not work out and cling more desperately when they do... Seek refuge in the attitude of detachment and you will amass the wealth of spiritual awareness. ~ Bhagavad Gita

 
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« Reply #43 on: October 14, 2009, 12:17:08 PM »

Yea, I literally cannot tolerate intimate relationship now due to the "transaction" element of it. I will remain alone until I can relate on a whole new level. Perhaps I am far happier without the burden of relational transaction.
We are working all this stuff out...while a billion people in the world are starving...they don't have the luxury of detachment.

• Infantile Needs and Expectations—Raging at others who fail to return our love or attend to our needs and wants, is wasted raw energy that can be turned into the service of self-development, self-satisfaction, self-origination, creativity and manifestation. In building a syntropic, regenerous world we may find we have to push ahead on our own, without expecting others to come along with us. On our achievement of new projects and new levels of being, we may then inspire others to join in the game…and yet we cannot push or even anticipate that they will do so. Perhaps the glue that will tie future societies will not be need or want, so much as teleophilia or soul-creativity. As we perfect our trip, we may find others along the journey that want to join us in our travel plans.

LOVE = L—let, O—others, V—vision, E-express
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« Reply #44 on: October 15, 2009, 06:19:44 AM »

These cords are ubiquitous. It’s not just lovers, but friends and even strangers have connections like this. I don’t think they can be cut. We’re all like a bunch of old fashioned switch-board operators. See photo. The energy that flows back and forth through these ‘cords’ are the most important aspects of life. Sovereignty, in terms of this metaphor, is about being conscious and conscientious about what energy is coming in and going out and to where – using the limited control that’s available to decide where to give energy and from whence to take it.
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